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^ Yet last game Dats and Brunner were on the same line for a spell so....Point is, if Dats can help create more opportunities for Brunner to score then Z Babs will switch them, as he already has. I'm fine with him being with either though. esteef edit: than, then

Like the O lines but I agree in splitting up Z and Brunner. Dats looked pretty good with Brunner last game so Bert-Dats-Brunner would be interesting. Love that Brunner takes it to the net every chance he gets. Take notes Franzine. esteef

Agree. Shanny got the Schenn hit correct, but Tootoo's was a good clean blowup. esteef

Same old story by the apologists, anything Holland might have/should have done differently wouldn't have worked in their eyes. The only right/good move was what he did. Same as it ever was. esteef

"We also will have a nice pile of cash to spend." esteef

The reason Larsen went into the boards heavy is because he saw Tootoo coming and tried to pull away like a wuss. He deserved to get smoked. esteef

I love how everyone doesn't think a GM should be prepared for three of his top 4 D leaving with advanced notice. This s***'s been going on for years dude, way before the Suter "attempt". As has been par for the course for a while now Holland low-balled his way to bringing back average d-men at best and then lip services the media/fans that he "tried" (see Holland quotes thread for more fun and exciting excuses). And God forbid he have to actually trade some talent to bring in actual talent. I mean that's not possible right? BTW, no one has a problem with the Huskins signing. esteef OR trade some players? Not possible right? This s*** isn't that hard to figure out. esteef

Tootoo's hit boarding/charging? Good one! esteef

And because of that abuse he had to take, he never missed an opportunity to lay a big hit on one of those d-men. Loved that guy. esteef

I'm fine with Mule not fighting but he certainly needs to finish his checks which he frequently does not. And people like fighting in hockey because it's exciting. esteef

^ Kenny's missed more than a "few" opportunities for couple of years now. And do "we" really need to spend the better part of a year and a half constantly defending even the slightest criticism of Holland? Maybe it's you who should "get over it". esteef

Gee, I wonder if the opportunity to play with the greatest d-man of all time had anything to do with that? And I agree I liked what I saw out of Huskins. esteef

Nah dood, he'll take less to stay here cuz Detroit is so so awesome and classy. esteef

What Holland "should have done" regarding potential dmen this offseason (and others) is real simple. Offer more money. esteef

The Wings are no longer attractive enough to warrant less money and players are figuring this out. Everything else you posted is speculation and nothing more. Wiz would easily be our 2nd best d-man right now. esteef

And you're falling into every Holland apologist's trap, excusing his current failures because of successes in the distant past which he arguably had little to do with. esteef

Ahh, so Holland's reputation as a low-baller preceded him then. Either way, Wisnewski was right on the money with his comments. esteef

Wings 14-0! esteef

"Holmstrom gets more attention around the net than a pretty girl around closing time!" -- Mickey Redmond "Holmstrom gets more goals the next day in the paper than any other player" -- Mickey Redmond esteef

Warrior. esteef

I think the Andersson point is more important than people realize. esteef

When you need to get the pass off, bring in Lashoff! I got nothin'. esteef

Kenny's mantra "Look at all the money we saved!!" esteef

If we had Wiz when Zetts got creamed, old ass Bert wouldn't have had to fight Weber. And Wiz might've actually done some damage. esteef

Wiz (from Michigan) didn't sign with Detroit cuz Holland low balled him. Doesn't anyone remember the "fair market value" quote? He signed with Columbus for more money period. Kenny's too cheap. esteef