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saw this on hfboards in regards to this meeting

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun I wouldn't read anything into it either way but Bill Daly and Steve Fehr still meeting ..

november 21st 5pm est

some more tweets from dreger i think this is a very good sign maybe, just maybe, both sides are finally going to stop all the pr bs, buckle down and try to get a deal done.

hopefully it is. i have a feeling that the winter classic being cancelled might have woken some of the players up in realzing that the owners aren't bluffing the problem i see is that, simliar to bettman, fehr, has has almost unlimited power so if he's on his own agenda, there's nothing that the players can really do about it. http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1265993--nhl-lockout-don-t-expect-a-mutiny-in-the-nhlpa-cox just something to keep in mind also this from strickland

lovely. injury bug before they even play any games

that's exactly what fehr did with that 3rd proposal. i don't recall you blasting fehr for that

what???? Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger The NHL's verbal offer to absorb some or all of Make Whole was made Tuesday. 3 days ago?? PA wants more detail before getting too excited.

2 sides are expected to meet no later than early next week http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408711

at the very least it should be able to get each side back to the bargaining table

that is interesting. i doubt that they had already planned on cancelling the event when they were designing the logo but they might've had a potential lockout on their minds

yea i'm in quite a bind myself. as much as i despise anything nhl related right now, i know i'm going to regret it by the time next year rolls around if i give back my tickets. i already paid off the tickets on my credit card months ago so the money isn't really an issue for me.

i'm not surprised they are offering a refund since that has been stated on the page ever since the event was announced but i was shocked that they are also refunding service and processing fees as well

that's a great article by lebrun. hopefully illitch makes it to next year to see it. by the looks of him he might not.

there hasn't been according to the winter classic site, processing and service fees will be refunded http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=632586 it already says it's been cancelled on the refund policy page here's the official announcement from the nhl. you can either get a refund or keep the tickets for next years winter classic http://www.nhl.com/i...vid=DL|NHL|home here's the press release on the wings site

in that case i think a better way to put it is, the players have less to lose than the owners. the problem is that i don't think the owners are going to cave. not with those hardline owners in there.

i disagree. the longer this plays out the less each side is going to gain due to loss revenue. the players need those casual fans just as much as the owners do. if owners don't make money, the players aren't getting paid either.

update on cba talks from lebrun

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/10/29/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/Bettman.aspx

the regular season wasn't cancelled until February 16th back in 04-05. we still have a long ways to go before then.

i don't think either side is being proactive right now

Unified, players roll with punches i wish both sides would put away their pride and egos and get a deal done for the sake of hockey. i don't think either side realizes the long term damage this lockout is going to cause.

friedman speculates on who the hardliners are also another couple interesting tidbits from the article

i agree. what leipold did puts a really big stain on the owners image. can't believe that he is on the negotating committee. but my impressions from reading some of these quotes by players is that they act like they have always gotten every penny of their contracts in the past cba, which isn't true. i think it just shows how misinformed some of these players are.

What's kind of funny about that is that the players have never been guaranteed the money due to the escrow system that they negotiated in the last cba. The only money that they have ever been guaranteed is signing bonuses.