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Cool. What about that time he made 51 saves against LA. That helmet was awesome too.

Whatever helmet he wore that time he beat up Crosby. That’s the best one.

Announced today: http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/red-wings-announce-prospects-camp-roster Anyone know why Larkin’s not attending? Also, strange that Sproul is there but not Marchenko or Ouellet.

LOL More like "have fun in Grand Rapids, see you in January!!!!!"

Nevada's state animal is the Bighorn Sheep. So how bout The Las Vegas Bighorns

The Las Vegas Gonzos (in honour of Hunter .S. Thompson)

Crazy. Never new that. Thanks.

Ummm I guess we'd all have to be massive idiots to not realize that Nill and Yzerman are or will be great GMs most likely because of what they learned working for Holland. Reading some of the s*** on here? Some of you are off the friggin hook.

Yup. Rangers made the finals. Better sign with them because they are clearly the team to beat

No s***. 6 guys will pull their groins in pre-season, leaving: Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco Nyquist - Helm - Abdlekader Miller - Anderson - Pulkinen Cleary - Glendenning - Callahan

Here's an "interesting" take on projected lines as part of the nhl.com 30-in-30: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=728538&navid=DL|NHL|home

It must suck when the part of your criticism that’s correct (he’s being paid too much) get’s overshadowed by the fact that you sound like a total weiner on tsn. You’re right Harold. Last time I checked, Kovelev was living in a glass house somewhere in Tolyatti or wherever.

Not sure what you're getting at here Frank with the first paragraph, but I'd be ashamed if I was a Penguins fan. And as a Wings fan I don't think I could ever condone that organizational strategy. The Peguins tanked on purpose for about 5 years, couldn't half-fill a rink to save their lives and were 99% on the move to Kansas City. Anaheim were the statistcal favourite to win the Crosby lottery but Pittsburgh got lucky. On top of all that, after being handed soooo much, they have one cup. They are a "win now" team that isn't winning. Not even close. No wonder Shero got fired. The Wings organizition and Holland still have high standards but they're not at the same stage from a franchize/legacy standpoint as the pens are.

Hey man don't joke. Babs will probably kill Mantha's offense by trying to turn him into Glendenning.

No, that strategy displays hope for the future. The incurable pessimists have no hope for anything ever. And in most cases, no ability to rationalize.

Frank, I can't tell if you truly feel this way or if your over-zealous dissapproval of Holland has spiraled out of control. Eveyone's entitled to their opinion for sure, but this statement I quoted is just plain wrong. And what about incurable pessimists?

For the record, I am ok with this too.

I really don’t want this to be a Gretzky vs Yzerman debate. I mostly believe if 99 had have come here in 88, we still would have kept Stevie. But imagine if Gretzky became a Wing and Yzerman went to Edmonton …….. (0:12) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVu5-NmD8gg

Exactly. But everone's got something to say now. And the Athanasiou point is valid. Right now he's a prospect that some of us really like. Until he gets traded for Cody Franson and suddenly mutates into "the next awesome player guy".

I can't speak for the rest of LGWs, but I was never trying to justify anything. I'm trying to understand why Holland thought he was disposbale. As far as what Wings brass said about him, they also like comparing Pulkinen to Hull and Jari Kurri. Raise your hand if you think Teemu will ever score 50 goals in the NHL. It's more likely he'll score 25 and look a bit like those guys while doing it. We've got people here saying Jarnkrok sucks (your Damon comparison is spot on) and we've got people here saying that Jarkrok's going to be the next Zetterberg because the two names were used in the same sentence by Wings management and staff. I like the idea that I'm somewhere in the middle. One thing's for sure, we have spent waaaaay more time talking about Jarnkrok post-trade then we ever did when he was still a Wings prospect. What does that say?

Yeah. We all know that if Holland had his way, he’d hang on to ALL of his prospects but leave them in GRs forever. I mean the last significant prospect he traded before Jarnkrok was who? Mathais? It’s common belief around these parts that Poille robbed Holland on the Legwand deal. But you have to ask yourself, while Holland’s made some questionable signings and whiffed on some must-sign UFAs, I can’t remember the last time he lost a trade that involved a top prospect or roster player. Some might argue “yeah, that’s because he never makes ANY trades”. To which I might add, maybe he doesn’t make any trades because GMs all ask for too much and he won’t pull the trigger. Because he’s patient as f*** and because he likes to horde his prospects. He has to. To me this makes more sense than Holland having a Dr Stangelove type breakdown and in a sweaty twitch, pressing some red button that sends Calle to Nashville.

I actually don’t mind this quote from Holland: To me, Holland is looking for as much depth as possible, and is certainly OK with Jurco playing 20 + minutes a night and hopefully dominating in GRs at least to start the season. It’s a hard philosophy to argue unless the Wings come stumbling out of the gate and start the season 2-8 or something. http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/it-looks-like-one-more-year-for-daniel-alfredsson

When Hakan Andersson says after this years draft that “hopefully we were able to get a centre to play with Mantha” I file that under: - things I believe to not be bulls*** hype - things said by a super-scout about a prospect, with a level of reverence never used on Jarnkrok. When I read Fischer’s quotes on Jarnkrok I think of the passionate way in which he spoke of Sproul in this video (starting at the 50 second mark). When he says “Sproul can shoot the puck better, harder, under pressure, than 90% of the players in the NHL” (2:45) I want to believe him, but part of me knows that there’s probably some over-zealousness in play. I imagine him looking and sounding the same way when talking about Jarnkrok: But whatevs. Maybe I’m over-analysing. I just find it hard to accept that Holland would knowingly trade “the next Zetterberg” for David Legwand but then say that Tatar, Jurco, Nyquist, and Sheahan are basically untouchable.

Keep in mind, Fischer's job is to pump the tires of these kids and sell Detroit's prospects in general. In fact everyone but Holland seem to do this. Kind of like good cop bad cop.