rick zombo

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/76585-forum-rules-refresher-please-read/

That’s pretty much what I was saying. No one wants Holland to trade anything valuable but everyone wants him to get a top pairing D-man and top six winger. It’s bad logic.

OR, he didn't want to trade Mantha + Jurco + Sproul + 1st for Yandle or Green. See, I can be over-zealous too. LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I know eh. Legwand was clearly the better defencemen of the two. Holland's such a moron for letting him go. FML

There are no significant UFAs left. That's why this is a thread about trading for a D man, not signing one.

My firewall at work prohibits access to twitter. What does it say?

I’d trade next year’s first (which will surely be top 15) + Nyquist for Yandle in a heartbeat.

Holland knows Quincey’s only worth 3M tops. He also knows how to be desperate. The real question is: do the Iliitches know or even care how their money’s being spent?

Man. Some of you are hardcore. After the *****-slapping Holland handed us yesterday, you’re still here discussing possible trades. I can think I can safely say this with 100% certainly and sincerity: I.respect.U.

It may seem impressive. But Shaman only deals in worst case scenarios and sooner or later some sort of “dastardly deed” has to come along.

This is also a great post. But, similar to what I’ve said in another response, Yzerman and Nill have had more to work with in terms of young stars and high picks. No? More assets. More flexibility to be bold? Holland’s biggest “asset moving window” was in 08-09. He could have moved Filpilla, Hudler, and Franzen for a Seguin-type guy then maybe? Holland’s safer than houses and blander than oatmeal. But he’s still a top 5-10 GM in this league right now. He never deserved all of the credit he received, but he surely doesn’t deserve to be butt-punched the way he has been today.

This is a good post. But Holland’s done a respectable job of managing the cap. Sometimes I think people forget how the NHL works now. You absolutely have to built your team through the draft. I don’t have to tell anyone where Detroit has had the luxury of picking from since 91 do I? Holland’s at an automatic disadvantage. It’s a miracle that Datsyuk and Z were as good as they were or we would have been picking Doughty 2nd overall in 2008, not LA. Victim of his own success. I can only truly disapprove of Holland’s cap management for one reason. Hossa vs Franzen. Kenny could have kept Hossa and gotten a king’s ransom for Mule after those two back-to-back playoff runs. Who knows? That coveted #1 D man could be our right now via the Franzen trade that never happened. The Bowman’s would have traded his ass.

Or they could, I dunno, lead their teams by example and continue to be awesome. Which they are. Seriously, these two guys are freakishly classy and they’re ******* consummate pros. What do you want, a whiny star like Kesler?

I’m as furious as the next guy. Mostly because the media is having a field day with anti-Detroit propaganda. But I agree with this. Also, for once, I’m actually terrified that we’re going to rush some of these defensive prospects out of desperation. In short, I would have loved Erhoff or Niskanen on this team, but I’ll take a desperate KFQ signing over potentially ruined Sproul’s development arc because we need someone to play #4 - #6 minutes on a disastrous D. Wings brass. You have two years to ensure that these young defensemen can walk onto a team that’s moving forward properly.

Really. Because last time I checked, the “cap era” began in 2006 right? 2006 - President’s trophy 2007 - WCF 2008 - Stanley Cup champions 2009 - SCF Anyway, you can credit Lidstrom, Bowman, Nill, Captain America, Marion Illitch’s hairdresser, whoever the f***. Doesn’t matter. The results above speak for themselves and they all most definitely happened in the cap era. I know it seems like I’m defending Holland but really I’m not. I’d never dream of it today. I’m just saying there has to be a line of sensible thought drawn through all of this mess, and maybe that starts by toning down the hyperbole.

I’d be lobbying for a complete fire-sale/rebuild but Holland is so cold and useless right now he probably wouldn’t get much more than a 3rd rounder for Datsyuk. I do think there’s some sort of GM collusion going on out there though in which it’s quietly understood that no one helps Detroit out and to bleed Holland for everything he’s worth. It may even extend to player agents as well.

I don't think the Wings fan in me has ever been more depressed. This is "worst possible scenario" come to life.

If true, it’s awesome that Robida’s going to Toronto. Especially for 3 years I’ll try not to look at it like we lost out on another D man, and to Toronto of all places.

Robidas? FML

We might be wishing we sign Quincey, and that’s sad. I don’t know how it’s possible, but next year’s D could be even worse than this year’s.

Really starting to reek of Suter’s scenario. Who wants to bet that is ends the same?

Holland’s quest for "more 20 goal scores” next year isn’t going very well so far.

I call BS. Weiss and Alfie wanted to come here last year. So did Dekeyser.

Does Niskanen have a farm in Wisconsin?

Except if Holland signed Hemsky, everyone on this forums would want him crucified.