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OT winner by Bertuzzi....or Holmstrom....or anyone is ok with me on the Wings. I just have a feeling Bert will win it....he's really getting better each shift.

Thank goodness....not that i dont want Winnipeg to have a team, but not at the expense of the pens...maybe florida or someone else can move there....

Tell that to Pittsburgh who almost folded and moved to Winnipeg

I'm that nervous right now, can barely hold down dinner....im almost dizzy like im going to faint...argh! COME ON WINGS! LOVE YOU GUYS!

ok ok,. just wanted to make sure with the fury of activity...want to save some poor canuck wings fans from this hell.... ok nuff said

PEOPLE WATCHING CBC HERES HOW YOU WATCH THE GAME WITHOUT THE HOMERISMS, DONT MISS THIS! EVERYONE CBC FIX! if you are listening in 5.1 sound UNPLUG OR TURN OFF YOUR FRONT CENTER SPEAKER< then all you will hear is the crowd like youre there, without the bumbling morons on cbc ITS WORKING GREAT OVER HERE! LETS GO RED WINGS!

EVERYONE CBC FIX! if you are listening in 5.1 sound UNPLUG OR TURN OFF YOUR FRONT CENTER SPEAKER< then all you will hear is the crowd like youre there, without the bumbling morons on cbc ITS WORKING GREAT OVER HERE!

LETS GO RED WINGS! clap clap clap-clap clap CBC SUCKS, THE NHL FRONT OFFICE SUCKS, OH YEAH, KELLY HRUDEY SUCKS LETS GO RED WINGS! clap clap clap-clap clap LETS GO RED WINGS! clap clap clap-clap clap All of us at my big party are screaming at the top of our lungs waking up the neighbors here in Windsor. WAY TO GO LANG, TURN IT ON BABY! down with kiprusuck and langcoward boo@cbc for not broadcasting in HD, and for Bell ExpressVu for turning off our VS HD feed so we're forced to watch idiot CBC commentators and regular resolution feed. LETS GO RED WINGS! clap clap clap-clap clap THIS ONE'S FOR STEVIE! LETS GO RED WINGS! clap clap clap-clap clap LETS GO RED WINGS! clap clap clap-clap clap

lets see fake penalties against you, playing from behind in the score....and to a point with the crowd going nuts NO REFS NO LANG NO SAMMY, I AGREE

play more disciplined my ass.....our penalties called against us were NOT penalities....discipline won't change that. the reffing sucks, thats all there is to it. the only discipline needed is to repremand the refs, and anyone blind enough to not recognize that reffing destroyed this game

it isn't just the 5 on 3's the single penalties were bs, too, like datsyuk, his last penalty was soooooo not a penalty, disgusting, these refs must be mcgoo's love children

you didn't SEEN the wings get away with anything tonight, furthermore the wings got called for nothing...eg, iginla hitting hasek in the head, leading to a 5 on 3 instead of a 4 on 4 and then a short power play for us...gee then another 5 on 3, how conventient, then we even touchone of them, and its a penalty...THAT my friends is why we cant be physical in games like that, the minute the wings touch anyone we're in the box THOSE REFS ARE THE WORST PILES OF CRAP IVE EVER SEEN, i hope theyre damn proud of themselves, frickan idiots. That's just disgusting when you see such an obvious agenda with the reffing.... beyond words. cheapskates

this is the worst reffing ive almost EVER seen.

LMFAO!

anyone here know how you can get the game in HD tonight in canada? stupid CBC HD is playing the dallas series late and the ottawa series early, the Detroit game is regular resolution @)#($*. The stupid windsor CBC antennae doesnt have an HD 9.1 channel, argh! i cant get the VS HD feed because the CBC is covering it on a regular resolution feed and once again they take me for my money in canada, even though i pay for full center ice...damn i wish we had direct tv here.

That was me with special regard to the date on the calendar, today the Wings turn the series back around and never look back APRIL THE WHAT???? the 19 th that s right 19 THIS YEAR IS FOR STEVIE, especially on this day which bears his number! LET'S GO RED WINGS!

dont worry the prices will come down a bit...AND MY FAVORITE TEAM IS DETROIT (second nyr, then nyi and montreal tied - however other canadians dont often consider quebec as very canadian-which is rude)...trust me IM NO FLAMES OR MAPLE LEAF FAN lol i dont hate anyone, but i dont like any canadian teams except montreal. I will always side with the wings no matter who they play as for the wrong side of the border, i agree, but i dont live here by choice...its really hard for me as a very american (more american than most americans alot of my michigan friends say lol)- canadian to get in to live over there. seems its easier to get into the USA or Canada if you dont speak the language, know nothing about the place and have nothing but the clothes on your back. GRRR im bitter lol.... its annoying i know alot of americans who want to live here, and i'd swap citizenship with them anyday lol but if i must live in canada, im happy to live right next to hockeytown. the only city in canada i really love is montreal, but their winters are too damn cold, and its too far from the joe. we both have great countries, i just would prefer to live in the US, i just like it there better myself, for many many reasons... lol...just being honest. I wish the US would take over southwestern ontario, the rest of canada considers us the US anyhow so, im down, when's the vote? lol GO WINGS!

you forgot to add teh price of the border for many of us who pay ten dollars per trip to go one mile across the border lol. however most people i go with all pay for themselves, including me, which means single ticket prices are the deal. when it comes to the playoffs, i set aside some money anticipating a great time full of wings wins, kowalksi sausages and mgd on tap! to me its worth it, but when I was in school all i could afford was a ticket per round and maybe one beer lol. now if i had a family to pay for its harder, but i heard family packages are in the works for next year, plus i would just save up a little longer, and have to go a little less.....however regular season is one animal, the playoffs are another. ALL I KNOW IS I WILL GO AS LONG AS IM ALIVE AND THE WINGS ARE WITHIN DRIVING DISTANCE! lol even when me and my gf go on trips we try to go to games in the other cities, eg, nashville, miami, minneapolis, chicago etc.

ok, some of what you said makes more sense now, however I think the business dealings are all misguided and to the detriment of the nhl as a business, and the game as a sport....there are other ways to acheive what bettman wants, without penalizing the big market teams (which he is)... ill address that later or tomorrow, gotta clean up this place, having a bunch of people over to watch the game on my 65inch 1st gen sxrd in 5.1 woo hoo (unfortunately on the stupid CBC HD, i cant get the american feed...stupid CRTC and canadian broadcasting rules....if its on CBC, they dont show us the american feeds, even though i pay for the center ice package. oh yeah and when its on fsn or whatever, we also dont get the post game reports, they deliberately go out of their way to turn it off on us...argh) GO WINGS btw wings are already a global fanbase

I didn't get to go to too many games either when I was in high school....little money, all books, and parents rules lol (plus i often lived 2 hours to 2 days drive away, but still got down here once in awhile)

yeah, its hard to get cash when youre in school. don't worry those days will pass soon enough. watching the game on TV is good too if youre a student. it's on CBC HD tonight in Canada, what station is it on in the US? VS HD? is it hd? You know that in Canada, when a game is on CBC, they wont let me watch the VS american broadcast even though i subscribe to center ice! I'm forced to watch the canadian feed. Sucks. we should have the choice. btw love your stevie pic FnuLaird...he looks so happy in it!

That's very loyal, wow! Hey that's alot of playoff hockey too, and you got to see the Wings take a 2-0 lead in the series...to me in the playoffs, it's worth it! I'd rather have that then cheap tickets during the regular season, and golf come April.

Takes deep breath lol....ok to address your points. 1) you said " If society is truly communist, all these poor college students would be given a chance to go and we wouldn't have this thread. Granted, it might have been once in few games, but it's more than the 0." Response: This may sound harsh, but we're not trying to just get a little more than zero people to come out once in awhile to support the wings at the joe. Unfortunately that demographic, if that's how they support something, it won't keep any business afloat. Well then maybe the rediculous expense of education should be dropped a bit as well. So should forcing students to take extra classes (and pay for them) that have very little or nothing to do with their majors. EG if youre working at McDonalds, teach the kitchen how to flip the burger, not how to raise a cow and slaughter it. To be honest most students who cant go to the games due to price right now, couldnt go even if prices dropped. Theres schoolwork and expenses with limited income vs. travel time to joe, expense of ticket, drinks, food etc. Students have little time to work to make money and ticket prices will make no difference. The way the money works in the NHL now is a bit communistic. In the free market, if you put a better product (on the ice) out there, and the people enjoy it and support it, you make more money. It is then your optioni in a democratic society to reinvest and make it better. None of this is now allowable to big market teams. 2) you said "Does it matter who Essex county school district is investing in as long as they are making money? Isn't that what matters under pure capitalism" Response: NO THATS NOT ALL THAT MATTERS. North America is supposed to be a free market society with freedom of choice. The teachers should have a RIGHT to invest the money for themselves, or at the VERY LEAST an option as to which team they want to invest in. Putting money into a stock or bond, or giving you the option to invest in a corporation is one thing, but going behind your back and FORCING YOU to invest in the TO Maple Leafs is a joke. (plus anyone know knew of the Harold Ballard way they run things in TO, you would never want to invest in them. they build teams there to make money for the owners, not to win cups for the fans, that's the Ballard legacy) Give people the option if they want, but how dare you force people to invest in something they don't like. THATS NOT DEMOCRACY OR FREE MARKET SOCIETY. Thought it could be a good investment (WHICH IT'S NOT), it's not ONLY money making that defines a democratic vs communistic society. IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN IN THE USA, heads would roll...and they should. 3) you said "The profit sharing plan and the cap is in fact a capitalistic movement for the NHL as a whole. The Illitchs and all the other powerhouse owners agreed to instate a cap and profit sharing. By increasing the viewership and interest in hockey in markets that aren't great like majority of the US, all the owners gain money. So, it's an investment." I disagree. The owners in the big markets LOATHE the new rules. It was forced on them, and they had to roll with the punches. Their hands were forced to agree with the powers that be. This so called profit sharing does not help the big market teams who have lost their payroll space. The exess revenue the Wings have to pay to the nhl collection jar goes to finance teams with low ticket prices and not so hot turn outs. There is not much left after that. Whether the NHL makes more money or not is never going to benefit the Wings or big markets much. All that will happen is the NHL will up the CAP. The system will remain, of draining money from the loyal fanbase and giving it to the others. There is never ANY incentive now for a big market team to reinvest money, make a better team that could win the cuip, and make their fans even happier. The dream of working harder, and being more loyal and becoming an exceptional success story is now lost in the NHL. I HATE IT, IT'S UNAMERICAN. I dont want my dollars when I buy red wings tickets, or red wings memorabilia to go to other teams, and that's only sensible. 4) you said " The business and capitalism doesn't necessarily mean holding a sellout streak, not if it means getting the max profit. So if you can make more money by raising the prices and the lower turnout still makes more money than a lower ticket price and full turnout, then it's all good." Response: That is untrue. Look at all the big market hockey teams. They make the most money because their fans are loyal. That loyalty means those seats ARE sold all the time, that loyalty is what GIVES THEM their budget in a free market system. Otherwise by definition we wouldnt call them "big market" BIG MARKET is actually quite synonymous with "loyal enthusiastic market" in this case. As for raising or lowering ticket prices, thats the call of each owner to make, not a centralized nhl fist. If a team can raise prices (like the wings) and the fans are willing to pay, and in turn they get to see the amazing stars we have over the last 15 years play in Detroit, then its worth it. If they fans DONT think its worth it, they WONT come out, the budget for such players will dry up, and owners are forced to lower prices. THAT is how free market works. The honly teams that I know of that ever tried to make max profit and not reinvest it for the purpose of winning a cup was the Harold Ballard years of the Maple Leafs. Even big market teams dont win for awhile, theyre still reinvesting, look at the stars that have come through organizations like NYR. If other small market teams dont have the budget, thats because people arent interested in the area (and you cant force it), or they dont have the cash in their local economy, or the people running it are lost. Look at teams like the Dallas Stars. They have quite a loyal fanbase, and theyre in TEXAS. They didnt need a communistic new NHL to build their fanbase. The fact is Dallas enjoys hockey, and therefore it stays. Any city that cant do it that way should FOLD. Maybe its possible Bettman is capable of making mistakes, maybe its possible he allowed expansion in the wrong cities, too much at once etc. If you have a bad product, or your product placement is incorrect, then in a free market, you must fold, move, or try something new. 5) you said "And lastly in accordance to the business decision, going to the game just isn't good business from the individual standpoint. It requires too much of me financially to pay 100 dollars when I can satisfy my desires watching the game. I'd love to be a good communist and support the cause and team spirit in person, but I’m just too selfish for that." Response: If you were a good communist you'd go to the game? That makes no sense, unless youre insinuating that the only way youd like to go to the game is if it were free. That's not how things work though. If you actually like something, you work to get it, by saving a couple bucks here and there and going. If you never decide to go, then you either never have the money, or you just dont like it enough. Yes 100 bucks can seem steep, but it's the playoffs, and if everyone feels like you do, dont worry ticket prices will be FORCED to drop by mere laws of business...(but don't be surprised if the talent level on the team drops with it) Ok well that's your standpoint, but not everyone is in the same bind financially. It's unfortunate, but some of us would like to pay to build a team that can win the cup. Some of us would like to pay a little more so we can see stars come through over 15 years. The Joe is sold out all the time, so I think my opinion is the popular one. However now the NHL won't let us use the money our team earns now, to make our product better. The fact of the matter is, YOU WOULDNT EVEN HAVE the nhl if it weren't for big market teams, people would be much more complacent, bored, by definition the draw will be much less profitable and less income per ticket, you wouldnt have important dramatic rivalries over the years with teams like Det vs Col, Mon vs Tor etc etc etc over the years. There is no real way to get ahead in the new NHL as an owner who wants to make his team the best. Personally, i feel if you cant stand on your own two feet,and draw a crowd... then fold (that's just business). Let cities who are begging for teams have a crack at it. Let business work the way it should. The teams will stay where it's popular. Socialized corporate welfare is a joke. The fact remains that if you build it they will either come, or it's not meant to be. GOOOOO WINGS!

WICKED! i was there too, I actually came to the Nashville game with Steve Sullivan's (Predator) parents. They were awesome people, and it was a great night! (his dad was wearing steve's memorial cup champ ring for good luck)

THATS THE SPIRIT!....It'll be worth it, they will win....THE SERIES! 80 bucks will buy you a couple cds, but the memory of a Wings p layoff game are forever! win or loss, i love all the ones i've been to.