Never_Retire_Steve

Both were penalties........... annnnnnnnnnnnnd now we just lost our best penalty killer

For f*** sakes Lilja, you just got out of the ******* box

It always amazes me watch Zetterberg kill a penalty. Honestly, I don't know how Datsyuk won the Selke.

One thing I've noticed this year compared to last year is that we are facing a lot more shots........... not liking that too much. Lilja taking a penalty here

Thank god for our superior PP........ Hudler and Franzen almost got one there too

Kronner!!!!!!!!!!!!

They listed that as the 4th line........... anyways..... how long has he been on THAT line? Come on boys, bury one here on the 5 on 3

How long has Hudler been on the 4th line? f*** ya Mac!!!

I need Kronner to have a huge game tonight

I love watching games on opposition broadcasts

Franzen lights it up tonight

Have had him in the past two years in my hockey draft and has definately been worth the most for how I got him.

I have only missed the Carolina and Blues games and the other three games Detroit did not look very good. I for one am very happy to be 3-1-1. I have very high expectations of this team and expect them to be dominant in 90% of their games. Having said that, I am not very surprised about the slow start with the different line combos and I'm sure there are some players "sqeezing the stick too tight" with the knowledge that they are the defending cup champions.

The only overpaid players on the Wings are Draper and Maltby and that's due to their loyalty to the club and reputation.

Fair enough Hey, don't get me wrong.... Z and Dats are better defensively, I agree with that 100%. You are right, my 95% IS speculation, but GMs have definately been talked to about Crosby and it as another poster pointed out that it is fairly common knowledge that they think that Crosby is the best player in the league. I think that if any GM was given a 1 to 1 trade for Crosby 28 other teams would take it in a heartbeat...... 28 of 30 = 95% even if you say fine Detroit might hesitate because of them being a championship team and he might not fit into the system then ok, that has some merit to it. But one for one on a skill basis including offense and defense I think it's a no brainer. The selke point is irrelevant here and I don't know why you even brought that up as I never claimed Crosby was better. If Pittsburgh won the Cup Crosby would've won the Conn Smythe by the way. Also, seeing as Crosby only played 53 games last year, no wonder he didn't win any awards........ your first two arguements are very weak. The 95% was an opinion, I'm sorry if I displayed it in poor context. Also, Crosby's offensive abilities does increase his defensive ability. "The best defense is a good offense"........ think about it. Also, those claiming Z & Dats were solely responsible for shutting down Crosby are ignoring the fact that we had the BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM in the league last year and that is selling the rest of the team short and exaggerating the abilities of Dats & Z on defense.

I think the bias on this board is way too high sometimes. If you were to present a trade to any GM in the NHL or any of the so called experts in the hockey shows, I am sure 95% of them would take Crosby in a heartbeat for Datsyuk or Zetterberg. I love the Euro twins myself but wow at how many people wouldn't trade for one of the two faces of the NHL. Crosby at his peak will score probably close to 50 more points than either Z or Dats' best year in the league. He's already 23 points ahead three years in.

Just ranking top to bottom: Zetterberg Pavel Datsyuk Draper Maltby Hossa Filppula Cleary Johan Franzen Kopecky Holmstrom Hudler Samuelsson

Great post I find it funny that we keep bringing up the enforcer issue..... I don't think either side is going to budge much on the issue as people have different ideas as to why teams are successful Also, is it just me or now that Hasek is retired it seems that enforcer threads are replacing the goalie war threads.

I have a soft spot for DMac from the late 90s but I think him being off the roster is the right move

40 goals and 53 points

I love this thread, some very good debate on both sides...... BUT.... for those of you who say you wouldn't trade Z OR Dats straight up for Crosby are insane IMO

I have him in my fantasy draft...... really happy about his hat-trick

Babcock said him and Helm were the best players he's ever sent down

It amazes me how many Fedorov threads there are

LOL @ this thread..... Too soon