Probert 5 For Fighting

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  1. I respect that, but people really have to look at this realistically. A guy like Moen really isn't that necessary on our team. Darren Helm and Abdelkader are both excellent checking forwards and at least one of them will be with our big club all season next year - that's plenty of energy right there. Leino should prove to be a capable replacement for Hudler, if nothing else a better skater and worker down along the boards. There's some more energy. Basically, a lot of our needs can be replenished through the system - sans Hossa, who is simply irreplaceable at this point. We can make due, and having a guy like Moen isn't going to change things a whole lot one way or another. It just seems to be the same old song with Wings fans - whenever the team loses, everybody jumps off the and loses their s*** and calls for more "grit" and a "fighter." Of course, Holland's too smart to waste 12-14 minutes a game on a guy who can't skate or just fights, and we keep winning a lot of games, and the team keeps going. I expect the same result this season.
  2. Proven winner is meaningless since that's not an individual stat. Clutch scorer? Must have been some real dandies amongst those 10 goals he's scored total the past two seasons. I like Moen. He's a young, decent, defensive forward. But too many around here think guys like him will be some sort of Godsend for our franchise. This Wings team has most of its bases covered. They have the grit and checking everybody here is suddenly complaining about. Burkie will do his thing, and Holland will do his. PS. Moen played 16 minutes a game in a full season two years ago and managed to muster 8 points. 8. f*** me sideways with a lunchbox. How anybody can claim this guy can pick up what Hossa/Hudler/Sammy left behind is mindboggling to me.
  3. I really can't tell if Icesurfer is serious. This is hilarious.
  4. That reason is often money. However, the Russians have really pushed the envelope and changed the way GMs can approach Euro stars.
  5. Dozens of quality NHL players flock to the Euro leagues every year, and many veteran talents who chose never to cross the pond dot their rosters, and a lot of NHL guys who played there during their lockout didn't put up nearly the numbers you would think. You operate under a mindset where every person on the planet thinks the NHL is the only place to play elite hockey. That's simply not true. The Swedes, Czechs, Russians and others all have elite tier-one leagues. Why are you passing judgement on brands of hockey you're not even giving a chance? "The easy way out?" Give me a break. Hudler has proved his mettle, and he has ascended to the highest levels of hockey. Whether it's in NA or Europe, it's really not as divisive as you think. They gave him a lot more money. End of story. Spouting s*** about his lack of desire or him not being wanted on your team is inane.
  6. This is hilarious. We were better without those "extra Hossa goals?" As if Hossa and his allegedly "non-gritty" 40 goals are the reason we s*** the bed defensively last season? Nevermind the fact that Hossa is excellent defensively and had little to do with how bad we were. It's tough to find a blame for our defensive woes(maybe losing McLellan?), considering we basically won the Cup with that same group. Adding Hossa helped, not hurt our chances - and blaming anything on him is asinine. We didn't lose to Pittsburgh because we couldn't play defense or we weren't gritty enough.. Last I checked, we scored 2 goals total in games 6 and 7 - and we led the NHL in defense during the post season. Kneejerk responses to our meltdown are expected, but please don't sit there and beg Holland to sign a bunch of two-bit scrubs thinking they're going to make up for the talent we just lost. We lost Hossa, Hudler, and Sammy...but all we need is GRIT from Bell and Moen??? WHOOO YEAH BABY!! GRIT! That makes sense. (PS: Didn't we outhit everybody we faced in the playoffs - including the All-North American Gritty Ducks of Anaheim? Yeah. We did.)
  7. This is hilarious. We were better without those "extra Hossa goals?" As if Hossa and his allegedly "non-gritty" 40 goals are the reason we s*** the bed defensively last season? Nevermind the fact that Hossa is excellent defensively and had little to do with how bad we were. It's tough to find a blame for our defensive woes(maybe losing McLellan?), considering we basically won the Cup with that same group. Adding Hossa helped, not hurt our chances - and blaming anything on him is asinine. We didn't lose to Pittsburgh because we couldn't play defense or we weren't gritty enough.. Last I checked, we scored 2 goals total in games 6 and 7 - and we led the NHL in defense during the post season. Kneejerk responses to our meltdown are expected, but please don't sit there and beg Holland to sign a bunch of two-bit scrubs thinking they're going to make up for the talent we just lost. We lost Hossa, Hudler, and Sammy...but all we need is GRIT from Bell and Moen??? WHOOO YEAH BABY!! GRIT! That makes sense. (PS: Didn't we outhit everybody we faced in the playoffs - including the All-North American Gritty Ducks of Anaheim? Yeah. We did.)
  8. Don't be so jaded. There doesn't appear to be anything easy about his decision. Those top-tier Euro leagues are not that far off from the NHL, skill-wise. Questioning his work ethic doesn't compute.
  9. Good for Jiri. At the end of the day, this is a business - and Jiri made the best business decision possible. He'll be getting double/triple the salary without any taxes, and he'll still have a window to return to the NHL in the future and collect even more bank(provided he continues to improve). Sucks for the Wings, but there's no room to feel sorry. We still have a top 6 most teams would kill for, and Holland will have to dig a little deeper to find some guys in free agency. Thought processes like Brave_heart's are naive at best - we are not better losing so much skill. We do still have a lot of talent, and it's time for guys like Flip and Leino to step it up on the second line.
  10. It's a shame our fanbase can't even take the slightest bit of criticism constructively. The guy wasn't outright bashing Detroit - he took the oft-muttered phrase about Detroit's supposed "Godly" drafting, and dispelled it. I could have told him that years ago. Especially during the early Bowman years, we had a lot of poor drafts. Personally, I think our best drafting has only started the past few seasons - so his research will hopefully be revisited a few years from now. I'm also curious as to whether or not his research includes guys like Fleischmann or Matthias? Regardless, I found more beef with some other conclusions he drew(specifically about taking Dmen in the top 10), as opposed to getting all up in arms because he dared question Detroit's infallibility.
  11. Since this has been bothering me forever, I dug up the stats myself just to reaffirm my point. Our atrociousness on the penalty kill is one of the most interesting anomalies in sports this year. A team chalk-full of Selke-caliber forwards and Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart and Ericsson on the backend should not have been so bad on the PK in the regular season, and so epically bad in the playoffs. How epic is it? Check it out. -Total goals against this playoffs: 40 in 19 games. -Even strength goals given up: 21 -PP Goals given up: 18 Do you catch that? That's barely a 1/1 ratio between even strength and PP goals given up. By comparison, Pitt's ratio is 41/11. Chicago's is 34/14. Carolina's is 41/8. My goodness. There's a couple of different angles here, and they're very obvious. 1) Our superior skill and defensive tenacity is on full display at even strength, as most teams are lucky to notch even 1 tally a game 5-on-5. And 2) Our PK is, quite frankly, an abomination. And there's no explaining it. We've been outstanding the past few years with the same group of players, and we're more talented this year with guys like Hossa and Ericsson contributing to the PK. Last night was particularly gruesome, because I didn't see anything overwhelming from Pitt 5-on-5, but the second they go on the power play, you can almost sense that a goal was inevitable. Why is this? It's obviously unexplainable, and being somewhat of a stats geek, I know there are lies damned lies and statistics - somehow Detroit has found itself in the midst of a year-long anomaly on the PK that will eventually ride itself out next season. There have been many times where we'd do a marvelous job killing off a 1:30 of a PP, only to watch somebody skate into the zone, fire it on net, and there's Vandersteeg or someone else punching the puck home on a rebound. Is it Osgood? A lack of tenacity in clearing the area around him, where so many of these guys have snuck into to put the puck away? I think there's some truth in the latter, but nothing in the former. In conclusion to my rant: this is one of the most interesting stats I've come across in quite some time, and the only conclusion I can come up with is that we are just flat out unlucky on the PK. Hard-hitting analysis, I know. If we avoid being shorthanded, we can party on at the Joe on Saturday - because Pittsburgh, like everyone else, has little hope against Detroit 5-on-5.
  12. How is using "road" data invalid? The author simply doesn't trust home statisticians, so he uses a neutral or outside source for the stats of each teams home games. It's for the exact same reasons the official NFL websites never recognize the Tackle totals added up by home statisticians. He's not throwing home stats or anything silly like that. For you to be suggesting that using outside sources to compute hit totals(or something similar) somehow ignores the fact that players play differently on the road and at home is utterly ridiculous. What, are the outside statisticians deliberately ignoring action on the ice? If you perform better at home than on the road, it doesn't matter who's recording the statistics, it's going to be pretty damn evident no matter who is tallying it up. Saying that a players performance is somehow being ignored without the resources of home statisticians is cork-on-fork retarded. Data is not being included? I don't think you're getting it at all. All the data is accounted for - the author just preferred to use neutral or outside sources, as opposed to somebody who works at Joe Louis Arena. The numbers are all there, but the home-fudging is taking out of it. That's all it is. But I thank you for conceding defeat on the Osgood argument. Maybe I'll post a picture of Cam Ward or Bill Ranford with a Cup and call it a night.
  13. That has nothing to do with conference allegiances. And I guess Florida/Phoenix broke the unwritten you keep babbling about, huh? How dare Florida acquire defensemen! The East is only supposed to be for offense!
  14. Tampa Bay has been a clusterf***. Don't be fooled, the new ownership have had their hands in everything for some time even before their deal was approved to own the team. Davidson has had very little to do with any of the decisions made the past few months. Koules and Barrie traded Richards, not Davidson. Koules and Barrie signed Boyle, not Davidson.
  15. Which is made all the more stupid based on the fact that the new ownership gave him this contract extension.