IceMunkee

Wow! I cannot even believe I am reading this. Stuart and Kronwall expendable. One bad game and bam! Off with thier heads. Stuart was great all season until gm7, and KRONIC? KRONIC? Wow... I wonder if you were in the other thread saying we were'nt tough enough??? If so, man your messed in the head. I get your angry at Stu, but KRONIC?!?!?!?!?! Why don't we just blow up the entire team. Let's start from scratch! Cause going to the finals two ******* years in a row is not good enough for the f*cking fans in Detroit. EVERYONE offf with your HEADS!!! Osgood you only always played great!!! BUT YOU LET IN A GOAL!!! Off with your HEAD! Get f*cking Khabibulin?!?!?!?! Seriously?!?!?! Your a f*cking idiot, stupidest person alive! OMG!!! Hossa, the guy who had slow production post season but 40 goals in the regular season. OFF with your HEAD!!!!! F*ck it. Fire Babcock to cause he was concerned about match ups! F*CK FIRE HOLLAND... We neede a F*CKING GOON!!! Seriously I have been feeling like sh*t for two days. Debating this and that. Reading silly post, responding all night, having decent discussions, getting ranted by A Pittsburg fan that thinks Leadership is spelt C-R-O-S-B-Y. You should all be ashamed of yourselfs. Your horrible, whinny, barn burning fans. I can't ******* take it anymore. Ozzy was not good enough. Lids needs less ice time. Datsyuk was horrible. I want Hossa dead. I WOULD HAVE RATHER WATCHED THE WINGS LOSE IN ROUND 2!!!! (these are all things said in the last two days) This most certainly does not apply to all. We have every right to be upset, we have every right to say we may want some changes but some of you are selfish, spoiled, whinny, weak hearted, turn coat fans. If you have a Jersey you should give it away. If you have memorbilia you should burn. I. Just. Can't. take the stupid s*** anymore. Some of you are so dumb and so near sighted it is ridicuous. Again not all of us are like this, but if the shoe fits wear it and go be a ******* lions fan at least then you could be ungrateful.

***** WARNING ***** ***Some may find offensive*** Sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes women are the worst Red Wings fans. I have met some truly good solid fans with real knowledge, rarely, but I have met them. You seem to be the opposite.

You guys are getting it wrong. I agree we need someone who can tough it up sometimes, but we definitly don't need a goon! Chris Neil? Look for a guy who can hit, fight, love the team, and score here and there... 1) Burrows 2) Backes 3) Carcillo

It is funny you say this. I have said I was going through the 5 stages of grief since yesterday morning. I was to... I would go through so many emotions and back again. I still kind of am. I won't ever forget the feelings I have gone through this weekend and find it very hard to believe that another game or series will provoke so much emotion again. Bottom line is. We played well, you played better. We are the better team 7 out of 10 times. You just played better. Thanks, I will never forget this...

Pain and suffering is a part of everyday life. I just can't understand that type of logic.

HAHAHA! Just another reason some peoples post are completely irrelevant to me. I never thought it would be said, but that is exactly what I was talking about before game 7. How I wished he would be playing. The guy is not afraid to get in front of any puck. Our PK might have been alot better. He was missed. Lily Pads was missed.

Jealousy will never be something I feel of the Penguins. I take back me calling you an intelligent penguins fan. When you get a real debate countered at you all you can say is, "Your all haters" and "Look at my avatar". I have been wrong over the last 48 hours but that was the most mistaken phrase I have had. I don't have hard time excepting that the cup is Pittsburg, I am having a hard time that the only way you celebrate is posting pictures and saying be jealous. All your friends probably stopped hanging out with you in the sixth grade so it must be tough to find conversation where people take you serious, you know with them all being haters and such.

Exactly. At least this way I know who is the best team. Who should have and could have won.

Hey man, I know your jump onto the bandwagon was very recent but listen up you beautiful b*tch cause I am about to f you up with some truth. YOU CANNOT TAKE A DISCOUNT IF YOUR ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT! Okay, Pittsburg, class is dismissed. See you again at 9 am for another lesson. For tomorrow's lesson we are going to cover Tradition and Leadership. So please read Chapter 2 and 3. Be sure to study up on Steve Yzerman... Cause this whole class is failing the Leadership portion...

Wait, am I reading this right? You would rather lose in the 2nd round? Then lose in the finals? That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. I am just down right confused right now... You don't want the chance cause it hurts? Do you want everything in life to be easy? To choose permanent losing over a chance at winning.

That is exactly what I was gonna say.

Agreed. After considering this for a moment I have no intrest at all in Raffi leaving or Jay coming...

WTF? I am the only confused one the title said Hudler and Sammy. Babs qoute. Maybe leaving. Got thinking. Then I read it and had nothing to do with Hudler or Sammy. Nothing Babs said made anyone think man Huds and Sam are gone.... My brain hurts

As a buisness man Bettman is failing miserably, does that say something for Sid? THE COMPLETE PACKAGE???????? I know of a guy that is a complete package, Pavel Datsyuk. He is a hart nominee. That is a complete package. Sid is great but your more of a Sidney homer then anything. Like most everyone in Pittsburg. Sid has a long way to go before he becomes a complete package. If sometime you take your rose colored glasses of and see this for what it is, then lets have a good debate. A complete package? A great Leader? A traditionalist? Respect for the greats of the league? Defensive zone skill? Ability to shut down some of the best in the league? None of these things qualify when speaking of Sid. NONE. If you call us "haters" for using a little more thought and less homer to make statements as the Greatest, then what would we call you? Also gritty goals, are talking about the times when he stands at the corner of the net and barely skates waits for a good rebound and shovel garbage?

Yeah a second and third liner for a NHL star calibur player that puts up more points in a year then almost everyone on the team. Ottawa GM would definitly go for it. I love the trade offers sometimes. Just last week I offered to trade a guy his fully loaded challenger for my ford focus. I still cannot believe he turned it down. I see the upside why can't he? ALSO Heatly is under a contract! He can't take a pay cut. I know it is confusing....

This kind of logic makes me want to punch myself in the face. Repeatidly. Osgood was not great during the regular season but the Wings still finished 3rd overall. While playing in the hardest division. Hmmm.

I agree 100% Definitly let's get Khabibulin to replace Osgood. That is an obvious upgrade. Why did we not think of this when Khabi got pulled? Also yes! Let's get an instant goal scorer, just add water to any one and BAM instant scoring. Definitly Khabi is a "solid" goaltender. I was actually wondering how long it would be until we had the pleasure of seeing a goalie thread. Even with Osgood playing Conn Smythe, hall of fame level hockey. Luckily alot of the opposing teams fans have left before the could see this. This one thread could makes us all look like stupid bags of crap with the ability to type. Seriously you fail on so many levels I am not sure what to say. Thread fail. Delete under rule #683 "while utterly stupid thread are allowed to be posted if only to show that Detoit has uneducated fans as well, completely retarded threads should be deleted and the computer of the OP will be confiscated and destroyed for fear of idiocy spreading"

I don't disagree that Crosby is a great player. You stated earlier that Crosby is the greatest in the league. This I definitly disagree with. Greatest in the league encompasses more then just offense prowess and playmaking ability. I am not sure Crosby is the best on his team, he was not a differance maker in the finals. I definitly know he is not the best in the East. I also believe that if Crosby played in the East he would not register as many points. I can tolerate him being good, even great but not the greatest. He has a long way to go. He does whine alot, he is Bettman's favorite little boy in his spank bank, he does get compared to Yzerman, Gretzky, Messier and others but even with his "award" for leadership I am not convinced. You have to at least understand why Wings fans, all other fans, and most of the PLAYERS in the league hate him.

I truthfully don't mind the Defense situation.

Heatly makes $8mil per with a $7 hit against cap. It is not possible I don't think. Plus he has been in the East for a long time.... That makes him risky coming from the minors to the Pro's over here in the West.

Do even watch hockey? Maybe you just started after game 2 of the finals... Kronwall, overrated. First who rates him high? if anything he is underrated. Second you tell me what top d-man you want for Kronic, Huds, Plus picks, Maybe your unsure cause you don't know. Maybe you developed your opinion listened to the really intelligent folk that call into 97.1. Maybe not, maybe your a huge fan and watch alot of hockey and your just not very smart.

Here are the two names I was thinking last night. Carcillo - He had almost zero offense last season but 07-08 he was a decent scorer and a good hitter. Not to mention if he does fight, he wins. So he might bring an element of weariness to the opposing team before the hack, slash, or abuse the guys. In 07-08 he registered 324 PIM and 24 points in 57 games. Obviously he is not available unless through trade and he would have less PIM with the Wings because of the coaching style, but he could also benefit offensively playing even with the quality of the 4th line. Burrows- Definitly has a bigger offensive advantage. He has consistently improved offensively every year and has keep around the same PIM. 08-09 Burrows had 150 PIM and 51 pts. He also had oan average 16 minutes of ice time per game. Not bad. Or even Backes would be a tempting offer. An offensive upside like Burrows. He sports a scary 165 PIM, 54 points, an average f 17 minutes per game. This is the type of guy I would like to have, I am unsure if any are even available. Maybe we can find a little morsel of piss and vinegar for ourselves. If Carcillo is available, which he could be cause he went to Philly at the deadline. Not sure if the resigned him or not. He has more risk, but the reward could be worth it... This is my type of "BMF Player" (new word for enforcer). I don't want 150 PIM's and 2 pts for the year kind of guy. We have Cheli to do all that, maybe not. I don't want someone that cannot be caged by Babs. All three of these guys are young and can learn and benefit from our system. Our systems stars maybe won't take as many slashes and chops and hacks. edit: PS... I would like to go on record that I do not support Lappy. Not even a little. I would rather punch myself in the nuts repeatidly....

That is a very, very good point. Why is your brain working so late and mine is not... Well said. Also I like the Bling is King comment. I am king I just 27 inch rims put on my 94 escort... Talk about bling...

I agree on the bold. I think if I were making more sense we would have realized that awhile ago. The second statement I think You know I don't agree with. I think Hossa wanted the cup as much as anyone. I will not make excuses for his s***ty performance. Just that I am not ready to cash in on him yet. Again the Enforcer word needs to be discarded. I defined the type we need. A cheap, young, tough, and loyal physical guy with a bite and touch of offense ability. I have two on my mind but I cannot currently remember thier names.... I think I am not making much sense this late. I think we agree completely but because my wording it does not seem so. To me there is no such thing in the NHL as an enforcer. If your team has one it is like playing an atari but having the ability to get an XBox. Let's fave it atari was fun but it had to go... We had to quit living in the past. A gritty (not goony) hard-nosed take no s*** type with some offensive upside would not hurt. Absolutely not an "enforcer", that is almost as nutty as saying we should pay Cheli for another season...

This I can agree with. I think it may be possible that we were so concerned with Crosby and Malkin that it gave the depth oppurtunities. I think the same thing happened with Detroit against Chicago, Anahiem and Columbus. The focused so much on the Fury of Z, Mule and Dats that guys like Abby and Helm a chance to be dangerous. Your kinda a smart Pen fan... I was beginning to think they either were never born or extinct. Ah there is hope. Spread your knowledge Jedi. Share the wealth of honesty and knowledge... Seriously I need some sleep.... edit: I have alot of haters... So I must be a friggin badass!!!!