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#241 eva unit zero

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:27 PM

lol at the bolded part

Yzerman was either offensive star (early years) or defensive star (but significantly worse offensive player) later (Bowman). He was one of the most important Red Wings, obviously, but he does not deserve more credit (for the Cup wins) than Fedorov, Lidstrom or Shanahan. And Lidstrom then went to win another in 08. That means he was more important overall.


Yzerman scored 155 points in 1988-89. That's a number that only Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux have surpassed. He also received Selke votes, including a first place vote, that season. He was in the Selke voting other years in the 80s as well. It's only because of Fedorov's early 90s Selke/Hart and the fact the Wings went from a powerhouse offensive team to a defense-first championship team, and Bowman made a big deal about Yzerman having to be the leader with regard to that.

But back to my main point; Yzerman's play in the 80s was surpassed only by Gretzky and Lemieux. He took a Red Wings squad that was composed of AHL players and turned it into a team that would win division crowns. The only reason the Wings didn't get past the Conference Finals in any of those years is the fact that they played the Oilers in the CFs.

Lidstrom deserves a lot of credit...but Yzerman was a great defensive player in his early years as well. Not as great as he was later on, but the "Yzerman went from one-way player to defensive star" myth is ridiculous.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 02:40 AM


Yzerman scored 155 points in 1988-89. That's a number that only Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux have surpassed. He also received Selke votes, including a first place vote, that season. He was in the Selke voting other years in the 80s as well. It's only because of Fedorov's early 90s Selke/Hart and the fact the Wings went from a powerhouse offensive team to a defense-first championship team, and Bowman made a big deal about Yzerman having to be the leader with regard to that.

But back to my main point; Yzerman's play in the 80s was surpassed only by Gretzky and Lemieux. He took a Red Wings squad that was composed of AHL players and turned it into a team that would win division crowns. The only reason the Wings didn't get past the Conference Finals in any of those years is the fact that they played the Oilers in the CFs.

Lidstrom deserves a lot of credit...but Yzerman was a great defensive player in his early years as well. Not as great as he was later on, but the "Yzerman went from one-way player to defensive star" myth is ridiculous.


155 points .. in the 80's. Also, Steve never even came close to that mark (137 in 92-93 and 127 in 89-90, other than tha no offensive star seasons). And it is a proven fact that he had to sacrifice some of his offense to become a good defensive player, which was needed to win the Cup. Yzerman started getting significant number of Selke votes when he was no longer an offensive star. It is a myth that Yzerman was an offensive star and provided Selke caliber defense at the same time.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 08:56 AM

I look at it this way, Tampa will be a good place for Yzerman to hone his skills and prepare for the real GM gig in Detroit when Holland does retire.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:30 AM

155 points .. in the 80's. Also, Steve never even came close to that mark (137 in 92-93 and 127 in 89-90, other than tha no offensive star seasons). And it is a proven fact that he had to sacrifice some of his offense to become a good defensive player, which was needed to win the Cup. Yzerman started getting significant number of Selke votes when he was no longer an offensive star. It is a myth that Yzerman was an offensive star and provided Selke caliber defense at the same time.


Yzerman scored 50 goals (6th in the NHL) and 52 assists in 64 games in 1987-88 and was 11th in Selke voting with first-place votes. His projected points line was 63-65-128, which would have placed him 2nd-9th-4th.

Yzerman scored 65 goals (3rd-3rd-3rd) and 90 assists in 1988-89, and was 18th in Selke voting with first place votes. He also won the Lester B. Pearson award that season.

I didn't say Yzerman didn't have to sacrifice offense. But to say he was not good defensively at his offensive best is idiotic.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 01:36 PM

Yzerman scored 50 goals (6th in the NHL) and 52 assists in 64 games in 1987-88 and was 11th in Selke voting with first-place votes. His projected points line was 63-65-128, which would have placed him 2nd-9th-4th.

Yzerman scored 65 goals (3rd-3rd-3rd) and 90 assists in 1988-89, and was 18th in Selke voting with first place votes. He also won the Lester B. Pearson award that season.

I didn't say Yzerman didn't have to sacrifice offense. But to say he was not good defensively at his offensive best is idiotic.


I did not say he was liability or bad defensively. Just that he became elite defensive player when he was no longer offensive star.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 08:22 PM

The Lightning are now reporting a spike in season ticket sales and season ticket renewals.

http://www.tampabay....ke-ticket-sales

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 08:29 PM

The Lightning are now reporting a spike in season ticket sales and season ticket renewals.

http://www.tampabay....ke-ticket-sales


I wonder if this is the first time the hiring of a general manager has resulted in an increase in season ticket sales and renewals...*ponder*
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:18 AM

I wonder if this is the first time the hiring of a general manager has resulted in an increase in season ticket sales and renewals...*ponder*


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Posted 31 May 2010 - 01:05 PM

I did not say he was liability or bad defensively. Just that he became elite defensive player when he was no longer offensive star.


Scoring nearly a point a game in the late 90s/early 00s definitely still qualifies as 'star' caliber. He was 10th in the league in scoring the year he won the Selke.

He might not have been Sakic/Forsberg/Jagr level, but he was still a top-end forward in the league.

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 01:53 PM

155 points .. in the 80's. Also, Steve never even came close to that mark (137 in 92-93 and 127 in 89-90, other than tha no offensive star seasons). And it is a proven fact that he had to sacrifice some of his offense to become a good defensive player, which was needed to win the Cup. Yzerman started getting significant number of Selke votes when he was no longer an offensive star. It is a myth that Yzerman was an offensive star and provided Selke caliber defense at the same time.


Ye and im sure teemu selanne did that to since he got his best point total in his rookie season....gimme a break, yzerman doesnt deserve the most credit for the cup, our team was godly in all aspects

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 10:34 PM

Yzermans first move is bringing in Guy Boucher ?....thats the report out of Montreal

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 10:47 PM

yep according to RDS

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 12:35 AM

After rebuffing Jackets, Boucher is Yzerman's new Lightning coach

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 02:06 AM

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