Didnt read the 7 pages of this thread, but I live in MN and they've been all over Parise all year. A lot of people even feel it's more likely than not he signs here (and if that happens, Suter too). I can't see it. Hometown connection is nice and all but this guy was two games away from the Cup. The Wild are stockpiling young talent, but they're still years away. Parise has to commit to a franchise for probably 8 or 10 years in this deal - he needs certainty that things are run well, plus the chance to compete in his prime.
When the Wings won their first modern cup in 1997, Yzerman had just turned 32 years old, and Fedorov was 27. They were in the same points of their career as Datsyuk and Zetterberg are now. Yes, in the pre-salary cap era, the Wings had the ability to go buy or trade for star players, irrespective of salary, but:
(a) So did Colorado and any other serious contender at that time;
(b) The players the Wings "bought" were almost always OLDER players (Larionov, Murphy, Sandstrom). Shanahan was the same age as Fedorov.
Obviously, there's nothing wrong with having a core of players in the prime of their career, supplemented by younger energy players (Draper, Maltby, McCarty in '97; Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, etc. 2008-10). And "old" is not the same as "slow". Derian Hatcher wasn't necessarily old, but he sucked. Lidstrom is 40 years old but still effective. Chelios was very effective in 2002, and passable in 2008, but it's not like we don't have younger quality players too.
Oh, and our goalie is a Calder nominee, by the way.
Okay, first of all, making fun of Detroit or Detroiters isn't exactly clever commentary...in fact, I think Detroiters started making fun of Detroit about 20 years before it became as "cool" as it is now.
Second, anyone who has a byline photo that looks like a cameraphone self-photo...not too worried about your credibility...
Third, you could take a handful of fans from ANY fanbase in America and generalize about them based on that small subset. Is life in the worst in the worst parts of L.A. really that much better than the worst parts of Detroit? What is this West Coast fan you're talking about? I'm not going to make of the Phoenix fans in the building b/c they actually showed up in the middle of the desert to watch hockey...but most Phoenix residents are "laid back" because they JUST DON'T CARE.
I'm sure you could've walked around the streets of Tampa Bay in 2004, Anaheim in 2007, or Phoenix...pretty much anytime...and they might not have even known that Phoenix had a professional hockey team, where they played, or how they were doing.
Every sport has rules that "break" the game to a certain degree by leaving things open to interpretation by officials. The NBA basically devolves into a free throw shooting contest after a guy throws himself recklessly at the basket but gets fouled. The NFL has pass interference calls where you can move the ball 30/40 yards down the field after even incidental contact by a cornerback. MLB has the strike zone, which seems to extend a foot or more on either side of the actual plate.
Part of the reason Americans don't like soccer (and many of the same people don't like hockey) is that they turn it on and see officials heavily impacting the results, and players flailing all over the place lobbying for fouls. In the NHL, there's no question that penalties are used to "tell a story". Which isn't to say that the refs are being dishonest, but that there is this huge assortment of "unwritten rules" that kind of plays into the narrative of a hockey game.
If you have a super-aggressive game with tons of roughing, fights, etc., the run-of-the-mill holding or obstruction calls might be overlooked. I call this "Anaheim" effect...2007 Anaheim got away with tons of penalties that Pavel Datsyuk would never get away with b/c the refs know that over the course of the game, they're already going to be calling tons of penalties for much worse infractions. In their minds, if they call every penalty they see, Anaheim would have had like 20 penalties per game, so they feel like they're dictating an outcome simply by applying the rules. Of course, if they actually did call 20 penalties on Anaheim, they would probably have to adjust their tactics and not play like that, which is why it's unfortunate that this goes on.
Thank you! I'm not sure if that play was legal in 1990, but it sure as hell isn't in 2010! You can't just around and cold-cock a guy at center ice when the puck is nowhere to be found. At least when Kronwall launches one of his "questionable" checks, there's usually a puck or hockey play involved SOMEHOW. Doan hit a guy who wasn't even look at him...if he lands wrong and hits his head on the ice, that play isn't any less reckless or unnecessary than the Richards hit on Booth.
In today's NHL, you can't issue a clean check without starting a fight, but garbage dirty hits like that are just standard fare. WTF?
That's just nuts, you truly dont appreciate what you have until it's gone. (Hossa can still f*** off though )
Edited for messing up Sammys bad season
I really don't get all the negativity against Hossa in this town. This time last year, the same people on this site were telling Pittsburgh fans that they had no ownership interest over Hossa, and that they should've known he was a mercenary and nothing more. When he signed his one-year deal here, shouldn't we have gotten the same message?!
Hossa was a great two-way player for the Wings all season, and was probably their most consistent goal scorer. Datysuk, Lidstrom, and Rafalski had limited effectiveness in last year's playoffs, and they missed 14 games combined. Hossa's shoulder was destroyed, and he didn't miss a single game. Yes, Hossa was not effective at all in the final two rounds, but why is it that people use injuries as the excuse for all the other slumping Wings, but Hossa's just "sucks"? Pavel Datsyuk had one goal in 16 playoff games last year...secondary scoring (Cleary and Franzen, primarily) had to carry us to Game 7. But okay, it's much easier to blame the guy on his way out the door.
I had an interesting conversation with a non-Red Wings fan about Fedorov recently. I told him that the a significant portion of Wings fans felt betrayed by Fedorov, even though we won 3 Cups with him, because of his exit to Anaheim in 2003. My friend found that surprising, but not because Fedorov won 3 Cups with us or because he put in 13 good seasons for us--my friend's point was "Why would Detroit fans have wanted Fedorov back...he only had one more good season left in him."
It's the nature of Detroit fans (particularly from our big spending, pre-lockout days) to want, want, want, and expect everybody to want to play here and only here. But if you're mad at Hossa for leaving, don't you have to balance that against the negatives of Hossa STAYING? As in, taking a $6.5 million cap hit for a guy probably already past the prime of his career, and with serious shoudler issues requiring surgery? I have a Hossa Winter Classic jersey, which I wear from time to time. How is Hossa any more of a "traitor" than Martin LaPointe, Shanahan, Fedorov, or Samuelsson? (Or is this a business, after all?)
I think people have vastly underestimated the depth of this Phoenix team. People kept talking about Shane Doan like he was the only legitimate scorer on the team, and I don't see that at all. They may be lacking pure top line scoring talent, but they have secondary scoring all over the lineup, plus, their defensive corps has been getting invovled.
I think if we win, it could take 7. Next game is so huge, though. If we win Game 4, I could see us dropping Game 5 on the road. If we lose Game 4, uh oh. Also, there's a good chance Osgood plays if we get to 3 losses, no matter what. It doesn't even have as much to do with how Howard is playing (which is pretty shaky) as it does with history and the fact that you don't want to get eliminated wondering how your historically clutch playoff goalie might have played differently--even if he's done nothing on the merits to suggest that he'd play well this year.
I think it would be very selfish of the organization to let him go.
Selfish how? The guy has posted better than a 3.00 GAA or 89% save percentage over the past two seasons. Honestly, if the alternative had been somebody more prominent than Ty Conklin last year, he probably never even gets the chance to play in the '09 Playoffs.
And from a fan's perspective, this thing is only going to get worse and worse with time. Osgood turns 38 in November. If he left after this season (and Howard plays well in the playoffs), there's a good chance much of this will be forgotten and he'll be remembered primarily as the winner of the 1998 and 2008 Cups, and a potential Hall of Fame candidate, based on his overall credentials. If I had the choice, I don't want to see another season where Osgood plays once a month, sucks, and then complains about inconsistent playing time again. I don't want to see this thing turn more sour.
I don't hate Samuelsson, just like I don't hate Hossa or Kopecky. The idea that you root for these guys as Wings and then suddenly they're complete garbage the day they choose or are forced to put on a different sweater is kinda fraudulent to me.
Sammy's comment wasn't arrogant or angry. He simply welcomed the matchup (what's he supposed to say?)
To his credit, you can think of a long list of former Red Wings (from Lapointe to Fedorov and beyond) who thought that they might be more productive playing a bigger role on a different team, but Sammy actually proved his point this year. I'm sure he hasn't forgotten that we revived his career, like we did for Cleary and countless others.