I never like seeing anyone take a puck to the face like that.
As much as I disliked Weber's head smash on Hank, I was angrier about the lack of punishment. He's one of those guys who sometimes plays on the edge, he just should've paid the price for it, both from the Wings and the league.
I'd still take Weber on the Wings in a heartbeat. Hank could smash his face into the glass during practice and they can call it even.
Franzen is a shell of his former self, and will not ever be the same again
we will see flashes from time to time, but I think it's far too late to expect him to start producing offense at a consistent level
if he doesn't get the hint from Z's recent comment, or Babs putting him at center to FORCE him to be more engaged on the ice, then he never will(spoiler- he won't)
it reminds me of when the Oilers GM was complaining about Dustin Penner's lackadaisical play after he got his ridiculous contract, and he said something along the lines of, "Penner saw getting this contract as an end point, and he should've seen it as a starting point"
that's how I feel Franzen looks at his contract and how much effort he thinks he needs to put in, it's like he's thinking, "Hey I worked hard to get this awesome lifetime contract, now it's time to sit back and watch the money pile up"
ok maybe that's a bit much, but y'all get my point; he doesn't feel he has much to play for, he's won a Cup, he's got his money, to him the rest is gravy
and the difference between Z's contract and Franzen's contract is Z has passion for the game and loves to go out there and compete and be the best player on the ice, Franzen does not have that passion, except maybe in little tiny bursts
Posted by F.Michael
on 02 November 2013 - 09:03 AM
Damn old time hockey and I missed it.
My only real beef is the fact that there may have been a few guys on the Caps (Holtby in particular) who were on the ice, and aren't accustomed to getting involved in fights, and are then 'jumped'...The 'Old School Knuckle Dragger' in me thinks that was a pretty low brow move by Emery, and unless you're Matt Cooke/Ulf Samuelsson/Claude Lemieux/etc/etc - you do not deserve that sort of treatment.
As I mentioned in another thread, it's not Quincey's job to make Smith look good. Quincey is playing good hockey for us right now, and he stepped up huge for us last night against a VERY good hockey team. Last year when Quincey struggled, I didn't hear anyone saying that it was somehow Smith's job to make him look good, so where does this expectation come from? Good on Smith for having a good game last night, but that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. As of right now he's our weakest defenseman and if he needs a rookie prospect as a partner to bring out the best in his game then he's got a very very very long way to go before we can say he's ready for a bigger role.
Given that it's too long of a term for a guy Cleary's age and injury history AND has a NTC, I'm kind of surprised Holland wouldn't match it. That's his kind of deal!
Seriously though, he took too much crap around here for doing what was asked of him, but with the Wings already having old injured goats with NTC's, Cleary on a crowded roster just didn't make sense anymore. The young guys need to get ice time, even if there's gonna be growing pains. The downside is the Wings lost one of their only players who went to the tough areas of the ice and drove to the net every shift. That's how he got those "lucky" points.
I don't know what Philly is thinking but good on Cleary. Hopefully his body holds up and he can keep contributing.
I'm just not seeing Tootoo as an important piece as the Wings move forward. He was a healthy scratch far too often in the regular season and the playoffs. That's not an indication of someone the coach values. The problem is there's not much to really do with him. He's signed through next season, doesn't have much trade value and I think the Wings have more pressing contracts to use for buyouts.
I don't think he is either.
While I'm happy he didn't throw any clear cheapshots, he didn't provide as much energy as I hoped. And his biggest hits are usually when he takes himself well out of position to make them. While it's nice to have another player on the Wings who will drop the gloves, the staged fights are useless.
Unless he suddenly develops some new aspect to his game, like being responsible defensively, Tootoo was a bad signing. He's overpaid for what he brings. I just wish the Wings had signed a player like him, but not him.
Jesus....didn't the Norris trophy used to have nominees that were actually incredible defensive players?
This list seems so ridiculous compared to what we saw even just a few years ago.
Exactly. I hope a guy like Brent Seabrook wins the Norris one day, cause he's one of the best "overall defensemen" in the league and doesn't get the credit cause he doesn't rack up points on D, cause HE'S PLAYING DEFENSE!
Not a horrendous game, but the Ducks played better and deserved the win in the end. Liked the Nyquist line as the game progressed. Datsyuk wasn't as dominant as usual but I liked Zetterberg and Franzen's game. Ducks really forechecked our D hard and it was tough to get out of the zone. Hopefully the Wings will have a little more intensity for game 2.
Carman, you know better. Defenseman prime is 26 to 34. Kindl and Quincy sucked up until this year. There is a much steeper learning curve for an NHL d. Give Smith time, and he is going to be great. That Anaheim game where he put Ryan on his ass gave me a lot of hope for #2. He just needs seasoning and good coaching. And we have a good coach.
Quincey had 38 points in his first full season.
I'm not giving up on Smith, but it's not like he's shown to be a great defensive guy at any level. He's always been a phyisical/point producer that took a ton of chances. Hopefully he can be Wisniewski-type soon, but right now a Wisniewski-type guy that doesn't produce is a terrible defenseman and that's why he is fighting to have a 6th spot on a bubble playoff team. I'm just not sold that he has the defensive mind to be a reliable #2, and don't want people to be disappointed if he ends up being a good depth man.
I don't think size is the issue up front, I think that (to borrow from another thread) the top 6 lack "offensive creativity". I understand what Babcock's tried to do with Abdelkader (puck recovery... ala Saad in Chicago), but it just doesn't seem to be working out. I think we kind of have to wait and see what happens here, but Tatar should at least be on that 3rd line LW when next year starts. Depending on what happens will Filppula and Brunner, we'll have to see.
It's not just size, it's size and skill combined. Abby's got all the size you'd ever need but he doesn't know how to finish. Holmer could finish, Ryan Smyth can finish...Abby can't. He's got no knack for scoring at this level. What we need is a couple bigger bodies who know how to finish on a play. Guys like Horton, Stafford, Clarkson, Paajarvi, come to mind. They've got the size and skill to score down low, which is something we're sorely missing. Ideally I'd like a sniper too, and I think it would help with a lot of things, but until we get a legit net front presence on each of the top two lines I think we'll be kept entirely to the perimeter and therefore easily kept off the scoreboard in tight games.
Yeah, there are really so many things wrong with puttin him there... Guy could be great on the PP.
Also, if someone is having trouble scoring it might not be the best decision to put him in a position where (as a forward) you get to be afraid causing a shorthander every time your moves don't work out...
Brunner should be on the left wing on the PP. Just like Stamkos and Ovechkin. Brunner is a goal scorer who isn't being used properly. I'll bring us back once again to his last goal assisted by Nyquist. That's his strength. They need to play to it. Run plays in practice that get him to that point to hammer it home.