Filppula is a good defensive center. Zetterberg is one of the top five defensive forwards in the league. There is a huge difference. Filppula probably could center a first line if he could bring his offensive game consistently, while Z is an elite center at both ends of the ice.
Zetterberg is one of the top two-way forwards. But if you look only the defensive aspect he's not that much better than Flip that you could say "it's not anywhere near". Filppula is a good two-way forward yes, but if you look only at the defensive aspect he's more than just "good".
It's the same thing when people say Crosby is one of the better all-around players. He's a beast offensively and that makes people overrate his defense compared to players who don't score that much.
Jagr was probably the most dominating player in the Worlds. You don't believe it until you see him play. I didn't think he would be in shape anymore, but as he said himself usually it's the loss of pure speed that makes many older players worse.
Players who succeed at an older age usually either have to find a way around it (Lidstrom with his amazing hockey sense) or just somehow maintain it (like Selanne). Jagr's game has never been about speed; he's strong, skilled and relies more on holding on to the puck and making plays that way (I always say Leino is extra lite version of him).
Anyways. He's in shape. You have to see it to believe it. That doesn't mean I want him to the Wings, but I still see him as a +50 point player.
I would agree with you if the Wings had a top-10 pick, but the better skill players all go within the top-10. I'm fine with the Wings picking a shut-down dman in the first round if he is projected to be a good shut-down dman in the NHL. The Wings need players to make it to the NHL and not be fringe players, regardless of role. IMO the Wings are just as likely (or more likely) to find a skilled forward in the other rounds (not round one) than the are at the bottom of the first round. Therefore, picking a shut-down dman is not a wasted pick.
If Biggs is available, I want the Wings to pick him, but he will probably go earlier.
You as a Red Wings fan should know that's absolutely rubbish.
Skilled players play in more offensive roles and top line minutes. Skilled players are more valuable. The same applies to the draft. Rarely it's wise to pick physicality or size etc. over skill in the early rounds. You can dominate with size in the junior leagues if you're more mature physically already. Some players mature earlier, but in the end it's the potential you look for - and skill will become more important in time.
People here really think Flyers are going to trade Carter or Coburn? Can't believe it.
Carter was their top goal scorer and they've just locked him up with a long contract. He's not going anywhere. Hartnell is much more likely if you still wanna think there's some issues between the two. Leino and Versteeg will both go before him.
Coburn isn't going anywhere either, because they'll just trade Carle. Carle has a slightly bigger cap hit and provides less so I think the choice is pretty obvious. Of course Coburn may have more trading value, but that's not really the point here, because their only goal is to shed some salary.
I can't believe there's been more than six pages of discussion about mostly Jeff Carter and the Red Wings here. I think Konnan511 should make a new avatar just to make some facts clear and drop people back down to Earth from that imaginary land.
I've watched Philly a lot last two years (because of Leino) and Carcillo is definitely NOT someone I'd want on the Wings. His level of play is inconsistent, takes way too many penalties and isn't even that good as an enforcer.
He'd definitely be a project though. He could end up like Ott or Ruutu - a good PKer, agitator and a player who is decent shift to shift - as he's only 26.
I honestly don't get why there are d-man fighters. I mean when you're a fourth line winger or something like that it isn't a big deal if you go the box. But if there are 6 d-men and you're one of them and go to the box for 5min that just messes with the playing rhythm.
LOL @ the "meh" comments. To pull that one off in the WC Semi Final when the game is 0-0 is kinda like the catch here if you get it. It's not the same to do it in practice or in some college game. Of course the goal itself was amazing, but it was more about the situation. It just takes nerves to do that, which Granlund has.