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Errr, no VS didn't. I definately saw it. Kunitz crushed him along the boards.

That Pen who got hit in the face with the stick in open ice, it was either a crosscheck or highstick to the face and everyone saw it...but the refs.

Same situation as the Franzen high stick. How the F do you miss that call???

Man, this Flyer game just got weird when the refs missed a blatant Crosscheck and a linesman just took out a Pen lol

Fixed. Net up does not equal net off.

Actually looks like he kicked it in, whiffed with the stick....

Nice give and go. Fail Philly

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Did you really just compare Kronners to Chara...? Kronners might be better than Chara and those guys listed on the offensive side, but defensively it isn't even close between most of the guys you mentioned and Kronners.

I'm sorry, I just don't see the logic that Helm stepped it up in the playoffs last season so Leino won't be able to do that as well if given the chance. It's also niave to think that only the CBJs will raise their level of play, because I expect every Red Wing to do so also. Liek I said, we both agree defense will win this series, but I feel the passive defense (controlling the offensive play and limiting the number of overall chances CBJs have on the offense) route will be the most successful. Also, leino does have tons of playoff experience. He's won two Finnish Championships on two different teams, both times being the leading scorer. Not too mention he's also played for Team Finland in international play. He has plenty of experience. Either way, when Helm plays, I hope he and Osgood play like they did in last years playoffs and not like they played this season.

That's depth if I've ever seen it. It's like two first lines then two 3rd lines.

But that's the thing, when Leino is on the ice, he keeps the puck on his stick, so it's not assuming on my part, it's actuality. Leino played on the fourth line during a bad stretch as well for the Wings and he still finished with a positive +/- rating. I agree with you, we need to limit the CBJ's to 2 or less goals a game if we want to wrap this series up in 5 or less games. But my main point was/is, Leino playing on the fourth line yielded a positive rating and helm on the fourth line yielded a negative rating, those are the facts. Either way, whoever we slot in for Cleary or Draper (cause' they're injured apparently) or Koko or Malts, the goal should be to keep the puck out of the net, whether that be dominating the play (Leino) or playing with a style consisting of intensive back checking and gritty play (Helm).

And we don't?

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Then let's do when they were both up where Leino finished +5 where Helm finished -7, what does that say about Helm's defense this season? Helm was on the ice where his lines put up a single goal and was out there when his line gave up 8 goals. Leino was out on the ice where his lines put up 9 goals while allowing 4 goals. Helm>Leino defensively, I don't argue that, my point is that with Leino on the ice he is more effective at keeping the other team from scoring by controlling the play. Personally, I'd take the player who has the puck for 30 seconds on a 40 second shift than a player who is defending for 30 seconds on a 40 second shift. That is why I'd rather see Leino up, than Helm.

Playing the Devil's devil advocate, I take the last six games played by Leino where he spent the majority of the time on the fourth line with the Wings and he was a +1 while having 2 goals and 5 points. He is highly under-rated defensively because he doesn't have the speed to back check so aggressively, but what he does do better then a good portion of the Wings is his ability to strip the puck away via the stick lift. When he was stuck on the fourth line, he produced points and was even a plus in terms of +/-, same cannot be said for Helm. I do love Helm thought, so don't take that away from this post!

Ozzie has stopped 3 Break-a-ways now.

Holy missed tripping call! Big Rig, you gotta get down to block that shot.

Don't worry, we have him for another 4 years. Holland has never traded away a player with lots of years on their contract or someone that was just re-signed.

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Ozzie with 2 break-a-way saves. Ozzie looks ready for the playoffs, that is more than we could ask for.

Top line is rested, should be a goal on this PP

Koko hit someone!!!! PS, Lebda, shoot earlier!

Too much doom and gloom in this thread. Had to spice it =) and not to mention, I also agree with you.