Shaman

Downey, Kill him...

HEAD SHOT, WTF!!!!!!

Powerplay! Wait A dive? 4 on 4

Dumb question, but can a player on Waivers play for their team until they clear/get claimed? I only ask cause im watching the Pens game till the wings game starts and satan is in.

prediction, the wings win 80-0 to make up for nashville

Look everyones favorite Wings fan predicting doom and gloom Whod of thought?

Dont worry, if you dont want Downey (not saying you dont want a good gritty player), then youre like me and dont know anything about hockey and therefore, all they have to do is point this out and that invalidates your arguments, thats why they will never address anything you point out .

Dnalke told me something different, wrap your mind around this great trade Hossa, Ericsson, Kindl and our first round picks for the next 2 years to Calgary for Bertuzzi.... ...I know its what we all want!

Id be pissed if he was a Canadian, American, or even from the south pole, the kid is exciting to watch

Its too bad that Leino has more points in 11 games then Downey in the last 3 seasons...Personally Ive been talking mostly out of being pissed off about Leino going down to GR

As i said he was Ideal, hell, Id take grind, fight and defensively sound.

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern: 1. Person A has position X. 2. Person B ignores X and instead presents position Y. Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 3. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical. 4. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position. Well, all i can tell you is I am not anti gritty player who can drop the gloves, I am just against downey who all he can do is drop the gloves you never ever have addressed the fact he doesnt PK, he only plays 5 mins a night and that it inhibits babcock's ability to role 4 lines, just one straw man after another.

Because those players are as gritty as expensive toilet paper? I wasnt talking about his penalties this year, Last year he had more than his fair share though, Hes a player from the Old NHL where things that he did would be great for that era, now in the era of the 'everythings a hook, hold, interference, etc' and the refs already love to put us a man down, we dont need it, he doesnt PK anyway, so instead of having helm who is can PK. And to your 'afraid to goto the corners' comment, when was the last time you saw Hossa, Z, or D run from the corners? My Ideal player I would add to the wings is McCarty from 97-00, he could fight, hit, and got 40 pts every season, thats what we need, a guy who can play good sound hockey and be gritty and drop them, not just a guy who is a boxer on skates

I never said Helm should be up over Downey, honestly I think Leino should be up over both of them, but for all that energy the Joe had, didnt the Wings lose that game anyway? Energy doesn't make up for the 2 things he does/is #1 He makes it harder for Babcock to roll four good lines, guess what, the Wings are in back to back games this week and need to keep the top players rested so they can perform for both games. Where we could throw Helm in a 1-0 game and know he will play sound defensively, with Downey the wings will have to roll The Zetterberg or Datsuyk line. #2 Penalties have killed the wings this year, you may not believe your golden enforcer ever takes untimely (what call dips***) penalties, but when your PK is 24th in the league, and penalty should be avoided like the plague. And when we do have a PK hes not going to be on the ice, ever. Meaning that now you have depend more on your stars and less on the role player that is benched to put him in for 5 mins of 'energy'

Too bad Drake is a gritty player, he was never an enforcer, look at how many fights he had and the number of penalties, would he defend himself? sure, which im all for. What im against is the thug on skates who doesn't hit, doesn't score, just takes penalties and fights. You never addressed any points I made, I mean you want to see the wings short handed more? Does taking a run at a player win games? I would be all for a gritty player who can score 40 points and drop them when the need comes. But Downey and McCarty both detract more from the line up by taking up a spot a more skilled player should have. Please instead of just saying im uniformed and ridiculous please use facts and not blanket statements. As for the 4th line, hes fourth line AHL, he on his career has been in his own zone and it seems the wing's 4th line could use the oppiste right now, someone who is good on their side of center.

With sammy pretty much the odd man out this summer, it would make sense to dump him now, keep Leino/helm/ericcson up and actually get some return for him instead of losing him for nothing in the summer. One of the few times I actually hope hes right.

Well, I use to play hockey... And yes i watch about 200 games a year, and try to catch 5 Wings games in person, and 10 to 20 Griffins games a year. (just to show you what i mean by 200, all 82 wings games+playoffs, + all the san jose, boston, dallas and montreal games i can get, and WMU Broncos and other college games)

I point out every dips*** penalty he takes whenever i see them, now granted I dont have a running list to refer to (when you take 50+ penalties a year there will be some dumbassed ones), but with the wing's PK being sooo piss poor, any penalty can lose a game. But as we all know Enforcers win stanley cups, thats why Downey was in our line up against pittsburgh . Enforcers dont stop s*** in the NHL, they are there to take a run at someone after the other teams idiot does something stupid, well guess what, the wings need someone like that like we need a hole in our head. As for what the fourth line needs, its a guy who plays decent defense not a guy who is -5 in the AHL this year. You are just a fanboy of enforcers even if they take a roster spot of someone with actual skill and needs the time in the NHL to develop. You show me one game Downey has won for the wings and I will relent.

Wow, Id rather see helm demoted and Ericsson brought up, Downey isnt worth a spot on the roster...Never scores, fights once in a blue moon, and takes dips*** penalties

Ill guess its not

You forgot him using the Shroud of Turin as toilet paper and the satanic mass he has before every game where i sacrifices a virgin so the Habs can have there unholy thirst for another stanley granted

We didnt, just another lie from the liars in Montreal's media lie machine

In truth I was yelling it at the TV...I bleed Red and White, but last night was pathetic, and should be used to show the wings that they are beatable and they need to play good hockey no matter what team they play.

Bulls***, till proven otherwise...Need TSN/NHL/Freep to confirm before i believe it

Its like mindfly is a hydra and everyone like him that leaves 3 more sprout up