Shaman

Can't forget Ref Mick Magoo, hes always involved in these.

its not that he tired to do it, it just keeps going with what ive said about him, hes reckless. He never thinks about what hes doing just does it. He really isnt what we need anymore with mac and KQ.

Its a scrim game your own team shouldnt be going around injurying eachother...

according to the draper in the article it was in the numbers, flip never saw him coming....

Well, food for thought (not to be a negative) is that they always say its not as bad as it really is.

the problem here isnt the fact that hes hurt, its that downey decided to go for the hit in a training camp game, it makes no sense why he would risk hurting a team mate like that.

Last time i checked the most important thing on your hand was the thumb...

Hand problems are bad for an offensive forward like flipper...

dont worry sammy will pay for this, because we all know its his fault in some way...

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...9/1053/SPORTS05 500k 2 way contract, discuss.

Even the worst GM could have gotten a couple picks for them...

Z is top on kenny's list, he'll be done way before UFA singings

why does this need to be pinned?

I vote trade Sammy, Lebda, and Lilja, none of them bring anything untangable to the team, and all fo them are holding spots where kids should come up and play in. Besides, we could use some draft picks and prospects, never have enough of those.

1. Who are some players that will hit 50 goals this season? Zetterberg, Iginla, Lecavalier, Ove 2. Who are some players that will hit 100 points this season? Zetterberg, Thornton, Dats, Ovie Crosby, Malkin, Hossa 3. The rookie of the year will be...? Stakmos 4. What will be the cup finals matchup? Pens Vs Wings 5 games for detroit 5. Will Martin Havlat finally stay healthy for good portion of the season? Never happen 6. Who (other than Lidstrom) has the best chance of winning Norris? Chara 7. Crosby or Ovechkin... Who will outnumber the other in total points? Ove 8. Datsyuk or Zetterberg... Who will outnumber the other in total points? Zetterberg 9. Zetterberg or Hossa... Who will outnumber the other in goals scored? Zetterberg 10. Can the Columbus Blue Jackets make their playoff debut? I will go bold and say yes

if we can get hossa for 5 and Z for 6, drop sammy, drop lebda and lilja by july first next year, you may have a chance of keeping everyone whos important...

I can see Lebda and Sammy gone, a 5 million dollar salary cap increase and Z and Hossa taking discounts to stay with Detroit and we could have a great team for years to come and not lose any major parts.

I know that Hank atleast is a wing so long as the wings want him, he doesnt want to go anywhere else, so I can see him taking a pay cut to stay with the wings, if Franzen has another huge season, idk he may try to lever more money than we are willing to pay and jet, I really havent heard enough about him to know if hes a life long wing, or will bolt like some others have when the big offers come.

First and foremost, Sammy needs to be gone, he brings nothing that other player dont, and as ive pointed out before Hudler had the same number of points last season averaging 1/2 the time as sammy, its time to get rid of the dead weight How is Samuelsson dead weight? He's a consistent 40-point player, and is very respectable defensively. You have Kopecky (who has proven nothing) on the third line, but you want to get rid of a proven point producer? I don't see the logic there, other than Samuelsson being the scapegoat for everything on this board. Well, first, hes had 2 forty point seasons his whole carrer, not really a 40-point player, hes dead weight because hes holding other players who score the same amount of points to less time per game, like hudler who played 1/2 the minutes as sammy but had the same point production. Second, this might get me killed, its time to drop Homer out of the top 2 lines, Franzen is starting to prove his worth and I believe given the chance on the top like between Hank and Pasha he will be a 30+ goal scorer year in and out, and with Hossa being here this year and maybe (I hope) years to come should be on the line with our 2 best young offensive forwards, like Hull was with Z&D to help them step up their game. This is a horrible idea. Homer needs to play with either Z, Pav, or both. Looking at your lines, I'm not sure if you did this intentionally, but you have Homer centering the third line. There is absolutely no way Holmstrom could play center. Moving Holmstrom away from the Euro-Twins basically removes all of Holmstrom's effectiveness. Here you sacarfice the better line combos for induvidual production of a hometown favorite, I love homer and swinglish too, but, we have other players who can crash the net and provide more scoring touch who deserve to be up on the first line. Also to say that Homer is ineffective without the eurotwins is retarded, he was here and part of the team long before we drafted either. Third, I think that Homer would be a good fit with Kopecky and Cleary because they all are abit gritty and willing to goto the net, it gives our third line some teeth and people in games that we have in the bag that can kill time without giving fans heart attacks (see sammy and mccarty). That line is a disaster waiting to happen. I would have a heart attack seeing Kopecky and Homer play together honestly. My sympathies to Dan Cleary if this line ever actually happened. Why? because you say so? They are all good in their own end, I mean honestly is there any wing other than mccarty and downey that are liabilties in the defensive zone? Besides the whole idea is that Homer is on the back side of his carrer, and its time to let other players cut their teeth, I really cant see how this line is a disater. Fourth Defense, Get rid of Lilja, if the SCF didnt prove how slow and out of postion he can be to this board I dont know what will. He is a big cap hit for his ability and we have a log jam kids who need NHL time and WILL (mark my words) bite us in the ass if we let them go. I wouldn't mind seeing Lilja go, but he's not a liability like you make him out to be. Lilja blocks shots and kills penalties - what do you expect from a bottom pairing d-man? I have no problem with the kids getting a roster spot, but only if they outplay Lilja in training camp. How do you know for sure Kyle Quincey or Derek Meech will be better than Lilja anyways? Lilja does the same thing everyother decent defensemen does, blocks shots and kills penalties, but the problem is in a system that has so much young talent in D that need playing time you cant keep 2 million dollar shot blocking cap hits on the team, besides you cant tell me through out last year that Meech and Quinecy didnt out play him and Lebda, check the stats when Raffy and Lids were down. Finally, it dont break up Zetts and Dats, espeically to put Z on the second line with Sammy, thats like putting Gordie Howe with your neighbors half retarded son, ofcourse Gordie will make the kid look better, but, it would also make Gordie look alittle special...if you catch my drift.

My thoughts on the matter First here are my lines Zetts, Franzen, Dats Huds, Flip, Hossa Cleary, Homer, Kopecky Maltby, Draper, Downey Trade Sammy. Lids-Raffy Stuart-Kronner Quinecy-Lebda (Meech and Cheli) Reasons First and foremost, Sammy needs to be gone, he brings nothing that other player dont, and as ive pointed out before Hudler had the same number of points last season averaging 1/2 the time as sammy, its time to get rid of the dead weight Second, this might get me killed, its time to drop Homer out of the top 2 lines, Franzen is starting to prove his worth and I believe given the chance on the top like between Hank and Pasha he will be a 30+ goal scorer year in and out, and with Hossa being here this year and maybe (I hope) years to come should be on the line with our 2 best young offensive forwards, like Hull was with Z&D to help them step up their game. Third, I think that Homer would be a good fit with Kopecky and Cleary because they all are abit gritty and willing to goto the net, it gives our third line some teeth and people in games that we have in the bag that can kill time without giving fans heart attacks (see sammy and mccarty). Fourth Defense, Get rid of Lilja, if the SCF didnt prove how slow and out of postion he can be to this board I dont know what will. He is a big cap hit for his ability and we have a log jam kids who need NHL time and WILL (mark my words) bite us in the ass if we let them go. Finally, it dont break up Zetts and Dats, espeically to put Z on the second line with Sammy, thats like putting Gordie Howe with your neighbors half retarded son, ofcourse Gordie will make the kid look better, but, it would also make Gordie look alittle special...if you catch my drift.

Brendan Shanahan a massive piece of our team durning our 3 cup runs from 97 to 02.

worst.topic.ever.massive.fail. seriously, we won it d00der in 6, be glad that we have the cup and you got to goto a playoff game there are a lot of us here who would give our left nut to go to a playoff game win or loss and be very grateful for it, espeically a SCF game.

I am aware of the article and have read it, I doubt Stamkos will be saying that its like playing against Lids after he sees lids on the ice across from him. General rule 75% of hockey commentators know very little about hockey the other 25% know nothing.

I filed this under bulls*** until proven otherwise, and personally i hate all the 'hes the next x player' there will never be another great one, never be another Yzerman, never be another bobby Orr, etc, they are once in a life time players and to compare people to them is just retarded, but thats just me.