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Yea but that player also has turned a massive corner, and now is scoring at a .92 ppg rate since December. But other than that its the exact same

Yea but before he got hot for that (I think it was a month and a half because in December I think he went 11 games with 3 points ) period he was pretty invisible then right before he got hurt he seemed to disappear (no points in 3 games before his injury). And since I said the last two seasons being inclusive of this season I don't see why you're bring up 08-09. As for very well, I would say thats your opinion, I would say he did alright, but wasn't exceptional. *edited my post he quoted for clarity, meant these not the* But lets get back to my point, there is no reason to put Flip on the second line when he gets back with our first two lines playing as well as they are.

Honestly about 50% of that was just to bug you because you keep making excuses for Flip, Hudler had 57 points on the 3rd/4th line yet you keep saying that Flip is a better player, and that hes due for a break out season. You are a massive Flip apologist and just like Eva you can't admit that your favorite player isn't quite as dominant as you make them out to be. He had a legit second line role both of these last two seasons, this season IF he kept up his consistency (and that was the 100% serious part of my post) he would have just broken 50 points by the skin of his teeth, but he always seems to be get really hot then disappear. You always seem to ignore anyone when they bring up this issue. As for the injury thing, who knows, I really hope that my tongue and cheek jab stays that way, and next year he will finally play 82 games as a 2nd/3rd liner and actually score more than 40 odd points. But bottom line is he has yet to score 50 points so hes not a 50 point guy yet.

First Flip peak vs Bert peak? or Flip now vs Bert now? and its hard to compare them now, Bert is a 36 year old winger coming off of a bad back and the Moore incidence and makes less money. I would say Bert>Flip because they (were at least before Flips injury) both on pace for 50 points, but since Bertuzzi is actually durable and will more than likely play 82 games and will reach 50 points I think hes worth more to the team. Second his break out season never comes because hes never been consistent or injury free, its pretty mathematical, Flip doesn't score well, hes pretty healthy, he gets really hot and he gets injured. He needs to be more durable he needs to play and score more consistently or else hes always going to be a borderline 2nd/3rd line. I mean you've called him Zetterberg light, but Z had 92 points at 27 years old, flip wont break 50. Oh and for the record, I would still trade him for Jordan Staal.

yes, this is a great idea, trade a 2nd line skilled player playing some of his best hockey over the last two months for a 3rd or 4th liner because the wings don't already have 8 forwards competing for those 6 spots already He doesn't really disappear in the post season, in fact hes got a higher PPG in the post season as compared to the regular season. And as for what I put in bold what skill set would that be? If its offensive talent, hockey IQ or play making, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone with a similar cap hit with those skills, and if you get some physical defensive player, for under 3 million hes going to have a lot less offensive upside which means hes a bottom 6 player and as I said before the Wings don't need another guy in an already backed up bottom 6.

I think this is the best combination I've seen, and it only took Babcock saying something for someone to finally post them

I doubt they break up the H-D-C line if it keeps producing, Babs like to read the hot lines.

Well if Kelly is going for this much, Flip for the Oiler's next 3 1st rounders

Salei has been brutal and its not Kindl's fault, hes the experienced hand not Kindl. Yesterday he blew his coverage twice and it lead to both goals against. I think its a better idea to keep Kindl up because while hes not great, he needs a chance to learn under a veteran who is decent.

2 games, well damn, I thought he would at least make it to March before he called it quits. I think he was doing this for the Lawlz. In all seriousness, he was a great player and its too bad seeing him go out like this I hope he can move on to something new and have a great life.

How's Stuart coming?

Why is it so offensive to you that I don't believe he has place in the Red Wing's roster? Hes not a bottom 6 guy, and the Top 6 guys are all better than him. Hes doing ok in the AHL but hes not the best offensive player on his team (he has the highest totals, but Tatar has a better ppg). Oh, and hes no where near Bertuzzi, Cleary or Eaves, Bert was the only one to come to the wings as someone given the chance to play in top 6, the other two are players that came in to play in the bottom 6 and took that chance and showed they are more than bottome 6 guys. He will probably get a shot at the NHL but from what I've seen from him hes no Leino, hes more of a more offensive Tardif and the wings system needs guys like that to help the young kids mature.

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I disagree with you, I'm sorry if you want to watch two people just beat the s*** out of each other just to make a show watch UFC or WWF. I think fighting is part of the game but the token goon has no place in Hockey anymore, its time to get over it and move on. Its not fun to watch two guys fight for the sake of fighting, its adds nothing to the game and at best its a distraction. Now if its two players who in the heat of the moment or to protect a player and they fight thats great, that passion is what makes hockey great, not the goons who fight for their paycheck.

Salei is a train wreck.

Hes peaked to be honest, and this isn't a bad thing, hes in the second best league in the world, he gets to help other players mature and progress and hes being paid pretty well. Not every player that Detroit signs into their minor league system is the next Leino, hes not going to play more than a handful of games in the NHL. If im wrong I will gladly eat crow but I am pretty certain i won't have to.

robbing Peter to pay Paul if they do this, IE they are robbing their offense to address their s***ty goaltending, this would be a lateral move in my mind because while their GAA will drop so will their GF.

Ok, since other topics always seem to be hijacked over this question, I will make a thread for all the discussion. I keep saying the only reason I'd think about moving Flip is because he is the most movable of all the players on Detroit, he would get the best return, and since Detroit is deep on center, he realistically is our 3rd line center which would be a waste of his offensive abilities since he wouldn't have any talent with him to finish, and if he plays 1st/2nd line on the wing some of his defensive ability would be lost (which is arguably his greatest asset) because wings arent supposed to be as defensively responsible as the center. Personally there is one trade id make Flip and Lebda and a 2nd for Olesz in Florida. Other than this one trade i really don't see many deals that would give the wings a good enough return to move him. So, I am sure everyone has their opinion/expectations/etc

I would have never guessed this combo would click so well, but s***, Babs this is IT. When Healthy something like this would be awesome: Huds-Dats-Cleary Mule-Z-Homer Flip-Modo-Bert Eaves-Helm-Abs/Miller

Dats+Huds=Gold?

Well theres a clause saying if the Wings want to they have the rights to bring it over, but this won't hurt his career, he needs to be where he can play the most and from what Ive seen and heard his coach at Jokerit is one of the best coaches he could learn under.

Holy Slapper @ 3 mins.

So next time the wings play the pens they just need Howie to fight Crosby and the Wings will be set.

Lids is +5 thats pretty good for an ASG

not to s*** on your parade, but we didn't draft Cleary.