#19forPresident!

I want the Flyers out of the East (despite the gag reflex induced by Pronger), mostly because I don't want les Français getting any more cup wins ahead of us than they already are (yes I am petty enough to want the overall cups won record ). As for Marion, Hossa made trade off decisions based on economic climate (not just financial costs but overall opportunity costs, any econ majors feel free to elaborate =P), and seeing as he's still playing and we're not you'd have to say he made good ones. That said, it's not like the East has much of a shot, but if the Hossa curse stands I will thoroughly enjoy watching the festivities, and will personally deliver a 21 beer salute. Flyers!

Not to be facetious, but there's not much point in making a suggestion that opens a friendly debate only to become hyper defensive with anyone who wants to include something to the contrary and turning it ugly.... Personally I agree that the face off play has it's place, however it's a very, very small place. Simply because when we can out shoot teams 2 to 1 and still find ways to lose it makes a plain statement about the importance of the quality of chances over the quantity, and that play is straight blind luck when compared to a drawback and setup alternative. But you can never say never, sometimes you gotta be lucky to be good.

If you let Don Cherry getting pissed off get you pissed off, you're doing it wrong.

Well the kid's the marketing bread and butter in a league fighting for attention, they could have gone with a lot of players, but they chose him and they're gonna push him to the populous like cheap drugs.... It's that simple.... A good friend of mine is a life long Pens fan, and even he gets sick of the unbridled praise the league shovels on Crosby, feels like it's bad JuJu for the team. But it is what it is, I'm not mad at 87or the fans, just annoyed with the unsuppressed spamming of his image the league forces us to endure.

Best team money can buy

He didn't make the score sheet.... but he played a great game defensively, and that registers highly on Babcock's score sheet, and is a positive trend that will hopefully continue... The offensive chemistry should come eventually.

You can lead a man to Ritalin, but you can't make him take it.

I have no horse in this race... but I will say.... +1 for intuitive use of the word curmudgeon

Not really a big deal IMO. Probably just giving him a warm welcome to the NHL atmosphere, granted it's only camp, but Tardif has put in some work since his junior days trying to get into the bigs, things like this are just another step.... If I had to guess (I couldn't find a good feed to see the game, nor did I read anything in detail about the fight... so this is mere speculation) I would guess Lappy was talking crap to the greenhorn and heard something back he didn't like. Either way, the elbow pad isn't that big of a deal to me... It's alot more irritating to see guys like Perry start something and leave their visored-up helmet on than seeing a guy ditch an elbow pad.

Geez their front office has been as loose as a 7 year old playing Monopoly this summer. That kind of spending is pretty damned amazing coming from a big league organization. Edit: also IDK who has loose lips in Chi Town, but I thought the retirement thing was implied enough without someone providing enough evidence for the league to move on it.

My my, the Flyers are truly getting back to their Broad Street Bully roots! Plenty of quality elbows and head shots locked up for the next 7 years, not to mention a nasty point man (when he's not suspended)

You'll be missed Cheli. Here's one guy that I loved to hate when he was in Chicago, despite respecting him greatly. Also a guy I loved to see in the Winged Wheel, even if it was hard to make excuses for his ice time later on I'm damn glad to have had him in Detroit over the past 10 years. Plus thanks to his friendship with John C McGinley we can all enjoy the great line from Scrubs about Detroit for the rest of time.

Couldn't happen to a better guy

God man, that was when I was living in Perrysburg and still in high school, the site was like 2 miles from my house I was so pissed when it fell through. Gotta love how 9 times out of 10 typical political bureaucracy craps on the good will of the people instead of ensuring it.

No biggie. FAR FAR FAR worse things have happened to that sucker. As much as we like to dislike the Pens right now they value that hardware as much as anybody and wouldn't do anything that hasn't already been done to abuse it. Lebda freaking dropped it off the bar at Cheli's last year and it actually required repairs, so I think so far they may be taking better care of it lol, not that I wouldn't love to see us abusing it right now.

The Toledo Storm was the Wings ECHL affiliate for years before the team disbanded when the city decided to build a new arena. So the Walleye are kind of just picking up where they left off after the new arena deal was sealed.

Certainly this is a hockey forum and we're all entitled to discuss hockey, but out of respect, you might want to wait a bit before you post this kind of content on a fan forum for a team you just beat in game 7 of the SC finals. We lost, you won. It's over, and congratulations on your title. But save this for somewhere else, and someone who cares, because putting it here is a little more than slightly antagonistic, some might even suggest a deliberate salt in the wounds gesture. I didn't come kick the bricks out of your igloo and take a blow torch to it, touting about Detroit's future dynasty potential after the Red Wings beat the Penguins last year. So, please, stop yanking our feathers out and poking us with a stick.

It's Osgood's job to lose. Say what you want, the guy can come to play when it matters on the majority of occasions, and he's not over the hill yet in age. As far as the backup situation, hard to say. Howard's a risk, might pay off, might not. If Conks comes back at a similar price to what he did last year then I think Jimmy's gone. Should be interesting to see what exactly transpires.

Picking Crosby would be an erroneous choice. He's a good kid, and a great player, but a bad Captain. He's just not mature enough to bring to the table what a Captain needs to, and that's with his NHL club, much less team Canada. It's no secret the only reason he is one is a result of the marketing brain trusts inside the NHL and Pens front offices, and you can't really blame them, it's made them big bucks. Sure he's got his Cup now, but that doesn't validate his position as a Captain. His conduct simply isn't indicative of the behavior required of a responsible Captain. Nothing against the kid, he's a hell of a talent, but the shoe just doesn't fit him, I'd say Iginla or Sakic / Neidermayer if they end up playing. Give Crosby a few more years and I'm sure he'll come around but as it stands he just doesn't fulfill the demands of the job.

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I'll remember how bad it sucked struggling just to make the playoffs in the early Illitch transition years, then be grateful for the last 15 years of consistency and the distance we came this season, despite not achieving the ultimate goal.

How has this not been banned yet? So furry, it must have lost it's bridge.

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