GMRwings1983

Huh? Why are you arguing with yourself. If you read through my posts, I never ranked either player. If you want to rank Ovechkin as a better goal scorer, that's your opinion. An argument can certainly be made. I don't care. People started diminishing Gretzky's accomplishments during the 1980's, Bobby Hull's era and the goalies in it, etc. Ovechkin would score 100 goals in the 1980's, etc. I responded with what I think about player sizes during Hull's era vs. today and what I think about the 1980's in general and Gretzky's peers. You said you couldn't judge Gretzky's totals based on the era he was in. I told you what I think about that. There's nothing wrong with Gretzky's era and no reason why it cannot be judged fairly.

LOL. Whatever makes you feel better. You've proven nothing other than sweeping statements I normally hear about different eras of hockey as compared to today's era.

Well, you asked for it. You said that 1982 was the easiest season to score ever. Yet I pointed out that only two players besides Gretzky even scored 60 goals that year. If it was such an easy season to score, presumably other great goal scorers from that year should have hit 70+ goals. Gretzky's numbers diminished in the 90's after that prick Gary Suter injured him. He was never quite the same. That said, he still led the NHL in points during the 90's. So even with European influx, we're still talking about the best point scorer of the decade. The European influx has nothing to do with Gretzky's goal totals diminishing. Otherwise, we'd have to explain why he led the league in points in the 90's but not goals. Did European players somehow stop him from goals but not assists? And where do you get Gretzky only playing against half the world's best? In the 80's, outside of the Soviet Union, countries like Sweden, Finland, and the Czech Republic weren't quite as strong with NHL quality players as they later became. It certainly wasn't half the world's best players that Gretzky was dominating. Another fallacy about 1980's hockey. And as I pointed out, Gretzky still led the NHL in points in the 90's.

Hull was only 5’10 and if you see photos of him, you’ll see he was built like a tank. Same with Howe. That is small compared to today’s players. Ovechkin wouldn’t be 6’3 235 lbs back then. He also wouldn’t be using a composite stick.

Who was the next highest goal scorer that year? I'll answer that for you. It was Mike Bossy with 64 goals. If it was an easy era to score goals, how come Bossy didn't score more? Why did only two other players score 60 besides Gretzky? When has Ovechkin ever dominated his peers like that? The fact is, Ovechkin in his best years never dominated his peers in goal scoring like Gretzky did. He never finished with 25 or 30 more goals than the next player. All the people bringing up the high scoring in the 80's have no reply to that. We're supposed to believe that Ovechkin would score 100 goals, while the next highest guy not counting Gretzky would have 60. When has Ovechkin ever shown that kind of statistical gap versus his peers? You guys are full of it.

What's the rationale for ranking Ovechkin above Lemieux? He scored more overall goals? Lemieux played in a higher scoring era? Doesn't work that way. Ovechkin would have to use worse equipment and be in worse shape after the age of 30. There's a reason there weren't too many 35 year olds putting up huge numbers in those days. Fitness, nutrition, and evolution has changed in sports. It's easier now for athletes to play well into later years. Yeah, let's close the thread. Not even close. What about your boy Bobby Hull?

Just imagine the average Wings game at the LCA, but in the playoffs.

Can't you make up some dudes with American names? NCAA my ass.

They should have left him in to see if he pulls a Patrick Roy by going over to Blashill and Yzerman and telling them that he'll never play again for the franchise. Next day, we trade him to Colorado for a case of Coors Light and Stephane Fiset.

I just created an account at the Senators forum. Good luck guys.

Jimmy Howard should retire and become the goalie coach.

All you whiners can go join the Oilers forum, if you're so obsessed with #1 centers.

Akbars? Like that thing terrorists chant before they blow stuff up?

We're talking about Detroit. Not the Midwest. Detroit is Mid-North.

A German captain? I don't think so. Too many Polish people living in Detroit.

Dude, Bertuzzi was a bottom tier player to start the season last year. As he got more opportunities, he got better. This year, he was on the top line to start the season. So of course he's outperforming last year's numbers. Mantha has a higher offensive ceiling than Larkin. However, Mantha is lazy and has hands made of porcelain. Didn't I already school you on this topic last week?

How many 4-1 games have we had this season?

Whatever, racist.

LOL. I thought Holland would get us McDavid. He owes us that trade for screwing this franchise over the last several seasons.

Maybe he can inject some life into Nielsen and Erne.

And will probably choke in the playoffs in Switzerland. Honestly, unlike Bourque, he doesn't deserve to win the Cup. In his prime, he underperformed in the biggest moments. I hope no contender bothers to acquire him.

Are you kidding? He should fit in nicely with this lineup.

They should have traded this bum years ago when he still had value. He's single-handedly made Bernier look like a decent starter this season. Think about that.

Howard needs to retire. His stats are similar to goalies who played for expansion teams in the 70's. No. Holland couldn't draft goalies for crap. In 20+ years, the best goalies he drafted were Howard and Mrazek. Just compare that to other teams during that span. Keep in mind, goalies don't get drafted high, so you can't make that excuse like with other positions.

They couldn't trade him for a case of beer at this point.