GMRwings1983

That's probably true. But Abby is so unskilled. What other team in the NHL would put a hammer-hands 4th liner on their top line?

Why isn't Bertuzzi playing on the top line? Unlike Abby, he does actually have skills. Just happens to be old and coming off an injury season, but it's worth riding him until he lasts (that sounded wrong).

That's exactly what I would have done if I ever had a PS in the NHL.

I've always wanted to see Emmerton do this!

I wonder if Miller will call the reporters over after the game and call Cleary a piece of s**t?

I feel like Datsyuk and Zetterberg are carrying some retarded kid around on their line. Abby works hard, but his numbers last year on the top line weren't very good. Cleary.

Babcock trolling the entire Wings fanbase.

Ha!!!!! Told all you fools Sammy would be a great signing!

Nah. His linemates are just slow as s***.

Alfie looked like a 40 year old there.

Why is it so dark in the JLA?

He knows his GM and coach have lost their marbles.

We like our team.

The dumb moves Holland has made have been no-brainers. Not just hindsight being 20/20. Bringing back Cleary and signing Sammy to that contract were moves anyone on LGW could foresee as mistakes. Holland needs to put more trust in guys in the minors, instead of giving us his "overripe" quote. If we're talking fruits, Tatar is and Nyquist are fresh, while Cleary and Sammy are rotten. Meanwhile, Bertuzzi is a dead plant. Yeah, he scored 40 points two years ago. He's 38 and basically didn't play last year. It's pathetic these guys are still on the roster, and it doesn't take a genius GM to see they're a mistake.

Yeah, once again we have a throwaway 4th line, instead of a 4th line that can provide energy and physicality. Our 4th line is usually a bunch of jobbers.

He feels more comfortable in Detroit for sure. I didn't mean to sound like those guys only want to make money. It's more like, why are they given a chance to make that money on this of all teams? Don't we have enough hungry, talented players in the minors to take their spots? I think we do .

Many of those players were in Detroit before Holland arrived. I'm not saying he never dressed tougher players. I'm saying he's done it less than any other GM I can think of. True, we've had lots of success in the past, but the last few years, this team hasn't been anything special, and no longer has a great 3rd/4th line, where you can't afford to take players off for tougher guys. GM's around the league are drafting guys who can fight and contribute on the scoreboard, but Holland hasn't exactly been developing guys like Lucic, Kassian, Clowe or Clarkson in the system. So no one can argue that we have less tough guys than any team over the years. One also can't ignore that most GM's in the league still believe in having tough guys of some sort on the roster. The league has changed, but that part of the game still exists.

I blame someone else whose name starts with H. Guys like Sammy, Bertuzzi and Cleary are old, washed up crap, but I don't blame them for wanting to stick around and make a paycheck. They should have been shown the door, though.

And whose fault is it that Sammy is even on this team?....................

Boston and Ottawa have pure enforcers (maybe your definition is different than mine). But I'm also counting guys who are fighters that do other things (Clarkson, Erskine, Clowe). No matter which definition of fighter/enforcer/pure/unpure, etc., I can't think of any teams that have less fighters than our team. No other GM is as against dressing fighters (whether they're pure goons or guys that can contribute as well as fight) than Holland does.

All those teams you listed have more fighters than us. Sens and Bruins? Seriously? Like I said, most teams will dress a pure fighter/enforcer, or a Clarkson type. Those teams you listed have one or the other. We don't have either, unless you count a 5'9 guy that shouldn't be fighting as much as he did last year.

Cleary on the top line? LOL. That bum shouldn't even be on the team. Nyquist or Tatar should be in that lineup. Not three old, washed up players.

The Wings are in the minority. Most GM's have a pure enforcer on the roster or in the system. Some will only dress guys like Prust or Clarkson. Very few teams will dress the roster the Wings have, with really no toughness outside of Tootoo. So we're in the minority here. You phrased it like it was 50/50.

This is the beginning of the end for the 2014 Red Wings.