GMRwings1983

Makes me sick seeing that little bastard holding the trophy Cleary was on his way to winning this postseason.

No, that belongs to your 1942 Detroit Red Wings.

If they do, I'd love to take a blowtorch to them right now.

I hate them too, but until next season, Chicago is our mortal enemy. You'll hate Boston more than anyone if we meet them in the playoffs. Believe me.

Will Brendan Smith get his name on the Cup? Ouch.

The team whose fans chant Wings suck and are a bunch of douchebags?

On that logic, Gretzky was overrated too. Score 237 points against Price, Kiprusoff or Lundqvist. Couldn't do it. Flawed logic. Orr wouldn't score 150 points in today's league, but I firmly believe he'd lead defensemen in scoring easily. If he was that far advanced in his era and that good at reading the game, with today's training and equipment, he'd be ahead of this generation of players as well. Once again, how come nobody else scored that many points back then on defense? Oh yeah, that's right, because Larry Robinson, Brad Park, Denis Potvin and others were all overrated. And I could also mention others who played in the 80's, when goalies were even worse and scoring was at its highest.

If not for the Leafs s***ting all over themselves, Crosby would be hoisting the Cup right now.

Somewhere in hell, Leafs fans are smiling. Ironic isn't it. I felt it was possible, but didn't think LA and Boston would s*** the bed.

And that little rat faced c**t Bolland scores. Bickell and Bolland. I'm done with faith.

Boston just pulled a Toronto. What ******* chokers.

Ugh. God picks the funniest people to give big moments to. Bickell is an *******. This could be a repeat of 2010 here? I just hope it isn't some douchebag for Chicago who scores this time.

Probably. With today's training and medicine, I think he'd be the best player in the league again. So that's why I don't care about all the goaltending argument crap. Yeah goalies are better now, but Orr would be trained differently now too. It would cut his stats down a little, but he'd still be the best. Same with Gretzky, who played in the high scoring 80's, when goalies weren't that good either. With today's training, Wayne would still be the best in the world be a wide margin. His vision on the ice was amazing.

Not true. There were a lot more legendary defensemen in Orr's era than in 2001-2012, which is when Lidstrom won his Norris trophies. Pronger, Niedermayer and Chara aren't as good as Brad Park, Serge Savard, Larry Robinson, Guy Lapointe, etc. And today's NHL defensemen are even worse than the previous era. If Orr played today, he probably wouldn't score 120 points, but I have no doubt that he'd be the leading scorer amongst defensemen by a wide margin every year. Longevity is in Lidstrom's favor, but there are a multitude of players who had more longevity than Orr. Lemieux has the same argument against him. That would factor into a Orr vs. Gretzky debate, when we're discussing who the best ever is, period. But not in this debate. I rank Orr ahead of Lidstrom regardless of his career being cut short. I think he was that much better than anyone else at his position.

God, I can only hope Shaw is seriously hurt.

Except, no one besides Orr put up even remotely as many points back then from the blueline. How come nobody else did that if Orr was just taking advantage of poor goaltending? Is it because there were no other good defensemen back then? Hardly. This argument is flawed, because to me if a guy dominates his era and is far above others, he's truly amazing and could have succeeded in any era with improved modern day training and equipment. Same thing with people who say that Wilt Chamberlain only dominated because he was so tall compared to others of his era? Well, how come Bill Russell didn't easily score 50 points a season, since he was really tall too? Relative to their eras and their competition, Orr was twice as good as Lidstrom. And I'd argue there were more good defensemen in Orr's prime than there were in Lidstrom's, as relative competition.

If Orr was so bad defensively, how come his plus/minus was so absurdly good? I mean, I realize it's a somewhat overrated stat, but the guy put up insane plus/minus numbers. It's easy to say that a guy you saw play was better than some other guy you never saw play. People do that with Lebron vs. Jordan comparisons. But if you're a true student of the game and its history, you'll know from hearing stories about Orr and from looking at his stats, that he was miles above anyone else. And it's not just talent and performance related. You also have to look at how he changed the game for that position. He paved the way for defensemen like Coffey, Bourque and Leetch to attack more. How has Lidstrom changed the game?

Do I have any guarantee that he won't suffer a concussion? Because if I do, then I'd make all three of those trades.

I wouldn't smile any better, holding up that awful new jersey of theirs.

"Team toughness" "The powerplay is our enforcer"

Yep. Holland likely s*** the bed. Flip was having a poor regular season, and from what I remember, there were indications he'd be asking for a bigger contract. Teams were overpaying at the deadline, and we should have been all over that. I know the Wings were trying to make the playoffs themselves, but in the long term, Filppula should have been shipped.

Sorry, I figured you were talking about fighting and sitting in the box, not him trying to hit a guy. Hitting is his game. When you finish your checks, that often includes being left behind the play. Of course, the guy you just leveled is also out of the play. He'll miss hits occasionally, but he's still one of the best hitters in the league for his size. None of our other 4th liners put that kind of fear in defenders. I have no problem with him trying to hit people.

Don't want either player. We need big forwards, not small ones. Shaw is 5'11 and Marchand is 5'9. To answer the OP, Shaw would be a better fit. Marchand couldn't play a chippy, annoying style here, since he wouldn't have his backup. Our team is too soft and he'd get his ass beat all the time. Also, Shaw is a right-handed shot, which we never have enough of. They're both good players in the places they're currently at, but we I think we need to look elsewhere.

I heard Lindy Ruff is still looking for a job. Seems like a good candidate. Whoops, nevermind. Looks like the Stars beat them to it.