GMRwings1983

Like I said already, our 3rd line was good enough without Modano, especially since he doesn't give us anything but a one night stand. And yeah I'd take Asham over Miller. So I'd have Asham playing on the 4th line with Eaves and Abby. Ritola would get in if (when) there's an injury. Seems perfectly logical to me.

I was waiting for that MMA comment. And I just mentioned above what 4th liners we shouldn't have signed. There's nothing stupid about my complaint. You just don't see it my way that's all.

Maybe he just didn't want to play here like I said earlier. As for our current options. I like him more than Maltby and Draper, both of whom are not as good as our younger options. I'd take him over a guy like Downey who we're giving another chance to at training camp. I'd probably take him over Miller, since Miller is basically a worse version of Eaves. So in my book, he'd be a guy that should be on our 4th line. If he was ever an option that is. Don't know if Holland ever contacted him or not. I do know, however, that someone like Maltby shouldn't be getting offers over someone like Asham.

I guess I did. I just wanted to make sure that's not how it sounded. I never said we should have an enforcer on every line and constantly fight. That's not our game. But a guy like Asham over some old man like Maltby who's being offered a similar contract is something I'm going to get a little pissed about. I haven't said anything in this thread other than my own opinion on the matter. If you guys don't care about this issue as much, then so be it. I just don't like any smart alecs coming in here and misquoting things I said to make themselves sound smarter than what they really are.

Our puck possession and offense was fine without Modano. Hudler would have helped that. Once again, you're another poster who doesn't understand the idea of having a complete hockey team. And Modano is an old guy who can only help us for one year. He won't play after this most likely. And some of those 4th liners shouldn't have been kept for another season, which is where a guy like Asham comes in. I'm mad because we chose worse options over him and now it's obviously too late to have enough money to pursue him anymore. I never said we should downgrade from last year so don't attribute things to me that I never said. That's a lousy way to argue and you won't win. Your idea of a brilliant argument seems to be to misquote the person you're arguing against. How is not adding Modano and dropping Maltby a downgrade? Is that what I said?

Was this post made by you or a 4 year old? I never said I wanted Draper even on the team. Same with a guy like Maltby who will probably get paid for playing in GR this season. A third line of Hudler, Helm and Cleary would be arguably the best 3rd line in the league. Modano gives us more offense on the 3rd line, but we already had enough of that without him. You can't just load a team with talent and scoring only. A guy like Asham for cheap is not a bad bargain. He's younger than Modano, so we could have him for more seasons possibly in the future. Don't know why you made such a childish post to start your argument. My arguments were legit and mature on this. I wasn't kidding. Grow up next time before you misquote me about signing 30 tough players.

That makes no sense. It should be the other way around. I'm actually starting to believe that Asham must have turned the Wings down, because Holland wouldn't actually be so stupid as to sign only enforcers, but not guys who can do more than just fight.

You are guilty as charged, because Zetteberg has scored 68 points in 2007, 92 in 2008, 73 in 2009 and 70 last year. Aside from 2008, he shouldn't even be close to being nominated for the Hart. Those numbers are nothing compared to what Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin are doing. Not to mention all those goalies that single handedly carry teams into the playoffs every year. Zetteberg is a great player, especially in the clutch, but not good enough to be nominated for the Hart as of yet.

And yet they were on the team. The same Red Wings team that supposedly doesn't sign tough players based on your posts. Thanks for making my argument, because Asham isn't a pure fighter.

Naslund was the captain of a team that wasn't nearly as talented as the teams Zetteberg played on. Dan Cloutier was their goalie for pete's sake. I think the nominations for Naslund were more than fair. Zetterberg is at best the 2nd most valuable player to the Wings behind Nick. He's likely behind Datsyuk as well. That's why he hasn't been nominated.

But I was talking about current ranking and not a projected list for the future. Besides, with Zetteberg's health always being an issue, I'm not sure what will happen to his stats over time either.

So Brad May's making the team last year never happened? Also, who ever said that we were lacking skill prior to the offseason? We already knew Hudler was coming back to boot. Salei is a different thing that I've already discussed in another thread. I just hope that it was a case of Asham only wanting to stay in Pennsylvannia, which is idiotic of him, because it only limits a guy to two teams.

I hope so. I'd hate to think he was out there for the taking and we didn't bite on it. Not really. They're not in his league and I don't want to see them get injured trying. He played better these last playoffs than either of those guys did here.

But he gives us an added dimension that those guys don't. And despite what other posters may say, it does help to have a guy on the 4th line that can drop the gloves.

That's a bad post. You need a complete team to win the Stanley Cup. We wouldn't have won any Stanley Cups if it wasn't for a solid 4th line play in the playoffs. Just because they're not stars doesn't mean they're no important to the overall success. Either you've lost all your knowledge about hockey or you just made a bad post. I thought you were smarter than that. How can you discredit a 4th line for their contributions? You think we could win all those Cups without the Grind Line? I don't. It makes the team more complete. Asham would have made us a tougher and grittier team to play against. And for those people who ***** about fighters not scoring, he could shut them up too, because he can score. And for cheap.

Who cares how they came about? They were on the team, meaning what you posted above isn't true. We have gotten players that fight before, even those that can't score at all. Except Asham is so much more than a fighter. I'd rather have him than Downey coming up from GR this year if he makes that team and we have injuries. More flies than usual? What the hell does that mean? I figured Asham was asking for too much, which is why we didn't even pursue him, but now I'm kind of pissed when I see these numbers. And to the Pens of all teams.

That's bulls***. We signed Brad May last year and Downey a couple of years before that. Did they make that much less money than Asham? Were they more pressing to our team at that time more so than now? I don't think so. We're talking about a great bargain for a solid 4th line player that can score occasionally and fight. Guy also busts his ass on every shift. That's exactly what we needed and he's coming off a really good playoffs.

Actually, he probably has better numbers than Hank. Not as great in the playoffs, but Hank has played on better teams and has never had to be "the man". Naslund has being the captain in Vancouver of all places. Has Zetteberg ever even been up for the Hart Trophy? Why would you rank Zetterberg higher?

That sucks. We could have had him for the same cash, and he'd give us a gritty forward that can score some goals. Would be a terrific addition to our team. Instead that money went elsewhere. This is worse than last year, when we found out that Jason Williams' money could have gone to Prospal or Grier.

What is Daniel Sedin doing ranked so high? And I'd rank Stamkos higher. If he had such a great sophomore year (no sophomore jinx for him), imagine how great he'll be now, especially with a better team around him.

Tomorrow, I'd rather be watching Glee.

If I had one, she'd be a really big fan.

He's jinxed just from having a last name with that kind of spelling.

He's become cheaper than a hooker. That illness he had has pretty much ended his career after that lucky one-month wonder in 2006, where people like Manny Legace made him look amazing.

It's his destiny to play here. None of those soft leagues in Europe could handle the "PAIN TRAIN". Can you imagine some europuss trying to square off against him?