GMRwings1983

Does anyone know if it's legal to do a wraparound on a shootout? Don't know why anyone would try it, but I was just wondering if it's allowed.

Lucic is a spotpicker who hardly ever fights heavies. He's earning a pretty bad reputation around fight circles for that. Shanny fought against some heavies early on in his career. Please don't compare those 2 players, although I realize you were referring to more than just their fighting ability.

Draper should so totally do that on his next breakaway.

Did you ever stop to think that people come to this site to talk about the Wings and some of the problems they may be having? This is an internet forum where people argue with each other, right? And I don't always complain. There's a handful of players on this team I've always said good things about as players. I just feel no need to constantly post about how great Lidstrom is or how good Datsyuk's dekes are. Those things are just a given. I appreciate them, but in doing so I don't feel the need to constantly post about them like some infant. You just don't like my posts because you don't like anyone criticizing Ozzie's overall performance this season, because you're an Ozzie homer, and you don't see the value of having an enforcer on this team because, you don't like enforcers. All that's fine, but to accuse people of not being real fans just because we post in goalie and enforcer threads (2 topics you don't like), makes you come off pretty badly around here. BTW, I guess all Red Sox fans aren't real fans based on your definition of what a fan is. Like I said earlier, just about anyone who comes to this site is a real fan. You need to come off your position on this.

That's not what I said, and you know it. A real fan is just about anyone who's on this forum. A fanatic is someone like you who constantly accuses people of not being real fans just because they voice their opinions on an issue.

How can anyone take you seriously around here when you incorporate s*** like this into every post just to piss people off? You're not really a fan, but just a crazy fanatic.

If enforcers were irrelevant, Downey and McCarty wouldn't have played at all last year, and wouldn't be playing anywhere in the league. All the Wings have proven is that powder puff lineups can have good regular seasons. It hasn't translated yet to playoff success. If it happens this year, it's be the first time. And I'm not deluded about enforcers. I realize what the Wings stance on the issue is, and that's why me and many other posters are unhappy about it. It's not because we're ungrateful, it's because we like that part of the game, and we believe it can fit in Detroit, because we have useless players currently on the 4th line. You just can't draw the line, so you accuse us all of not being real fans.

None of your post made any sense. First off, enforcers fight less now than they did in the 80's. Check the stats if you don't believe me. I didn't dismiss anything. I explained that the stats you showed were true, and then dissected them for their irrelevance. You're just crying like a baby because I explained to you why your earlier post wasn't as significant as you thought it was. You also didn't address anything that I said about enforcers setting a tempo for the rest of their team to feed off of. Basically, you posted an incoherent paragraph, made yourself sound silly yet again, and finished by calling me a whiner who can't appreciate his team, even though that had nothing to do with my post at all. I was just pointing out my outlook on enforcers and their usefulness as it pertains to this team. You need to stop acting like a baby and stop accusing everyone of not being real fans. That's why nobody here really likes you. You have some sense of superiority, even though there's no real foundation for it in any of your posts.

I know you feel proud of yourself for making that post, so let me bring you down from heaven to tell you how meaningless it was. No one has ever argued that the Wings fought many times in seasons when they won the Cup. We know that the Wings were near last in fighting majors even in those seasons. It just so happens that in all those seasons we carried an enforcer on the team. This is a fact that can't be disproven no matter how hard you research. Enforcers don't just fight. They set a physical tempo for the rest of the team. The other players feed off of that example. That is not something that you can find in any stats, but only in how the team wound up. I don't think it's a coincidence that the team won Cups in those seasons when they had such a guy, and didn't in seasons when they didn't dress an enforcer. The Wings last year looked more physical than they do this year, and more physical than they were in 2006 or 2007, and it carried over into the playoffs. In fact, your last sentence sounds idiotic, since you said that we needed tough guys who know how to hit and be a physical presence. Well, that's what McCarty and Downey did for the Wings last year. So stop gloating, and throw away those fight stats that everyone already knows about and never said anything against. It's not just about fighting. It's an attitude thing. No one on our 4th line has any attitude right now, and it just so happens that almost every enforcer in the league brings it on every single shift with a physical presence.

This team is lazy at times and lacks motivation and physicality. It's not just defensive problems. Needless to say, Downey doesn't lack motivation or physicality. You don't need to be pro-enforcer to figure this out.

Are you sure those are the correct instructions, because I just followed them, and yet I can still see your post?

We're a long way away from having 10 guys that do it. Although we do have 10 guys that are pretty good at turtling.

And all this from a fight that was an even draw. Hell, when Probert got KO'd by Ewen, he came back in that very game to fight again. I guess this is what happens when you have a slip in a fight. Just a bizzarre situation.

I can only hope that he has the kind of run that Lilja had with his several years of rampage. His fight against Stafford wasn't that impressive. Lilja would have murdered Stafford after seeing the way he handled Souray and Boll earlier this season. As far as I know, Stafford isn't any kind of fighter. BTW, 11 fighting majors is pathetic. We're twice as soft as Carolina, which is a rather sad reflection on the team. No wonder fans like me are always talking about fighting, since we hardly ever see it anymore. In all likelihood, that was the last Wings fight of the season.

I think it's fair to say that Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski and Kronwall are playing in the playoffs, since I don't think Rafalski's injury will be serious enough to keep him out from what I've heard. Also, it sounds like Lilja is 50/50 for the playoffs from what I've read. Thus, who do you think should be on that 3rd pairing? Here's how I see it: If Lilja is healthy, I think he and Chelios should be on the 3rd pairing. If Lilja doesn't play, I put Chelios out there with Ericsson. No offense to Lebda and Meech, but I hope we don't see them out there in the playoffs if all else goes well with the top 6.

And the rest of us are secretly cheering against the Wings. I'm confident now that crazy homers like yourself only start this type of talk because it makes you feel superior somehow. Like you're more of a fan than somebody else is.

Does this mean that Babcock plays him for that final meaningless game of the regular season?

Most of the posters here have never heard of hockeyfights.com, or of the FC hockey site. BTW, the WIngs are despised on both sites, and it's not because the Wings have succeeded in the standings over the years. It has nothing to do with Buffalo homers. It's just Wings haters.

How dare you complain about anything? You're clearly a bandwagon fan and probably just came here to piss off the "real" fans who have been Wings fans since they were in their mothers' womb.

Ozzie almost pulled a Patrick Roy on that goal.

Kopecky.

Like Lilja? Is this the same Lilja who destroyed Souray, Neil, Phaneuf, Begin, Boll, etc? Check your facts next time before you post. Just because he slipped in his last fight and had a draw doesn't mean that he's no longer a great enforcer.

What could be funnier than seeing Sammy trying to act like a tough guy? Thank God nobody called his bluff.

What has gotten over our Euros? And Ericsson reminded me of Lilja with that dominance he showed.

Everything Ozzie does is magnified by his poor play this season. Datsyuk has earned the benefit of the doubt due to his great season. That's just the way it's going to be until he gets his play back together. If Ozzie was having a great season, nobody would complain about any of the goals he gave up yesterday, or if they did complain, the complaints wouldn't last very long. People have just lost their patience waiting for this guy to pick up his game. Even around Christmas many expected that by this time everything would be back on track.