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    4 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

    It's kinda hard to blame players for putting Detroit on their no-go lists.

    Also; no source on that quote in the tweet. Click bait. 

    Yeah, I'm thinking its all BS.  I think if there was any truth to it at all, it would be because Tampa would like to free up cap space and Yzerman would acquire someone that could be flipped for high draft picks or an NHL ready high end prospect.  However, Tampa doesn't really to free up cap space just yet and I'm not seeing this anywhere else.

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    Out of all of the forwards available, Raymond was the one I was highest on, he has the most upside.  I was really hoping for a second 1st rounder considering all the cap space we have now, but maybe we'll flip it into first rounders for next season.  

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    1 hour ago, Dabura said:

    I've been saying Yzerman needs to find a way to cheat and beat the rebuild prison system and score some massive victories, like getting a Pettersson outside the top 3. I've also said I hope there's a non-top-3 player in this draft that Yzerman and his people are over-the-moon about in the same way that the Canucks were over-the-moon about Pettersson — and that, ideally, this player has x factor qualities which are (secretly) so off-the-charts good that even if several aspects of his game are always going to be somewhat deficient, he's so overpowered in other areas that he's able to become a hugely and uniquely effective gamebreaker. Like Pettersson.

    Stevie made some really great picks late in the first or in the 2nd round in TB.  Vasilevskiy is a late first rounder.  Kucherov is a 2nd rounder.  Point is a 3rd rounder.  He can find the diamonds, so I'm optimistic about what he can do here.  Having said that, it'd be really nice to have one of the top 3 drop to us.  We deserve to catch a break for once.

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    I don't really understand how getting blown out every night and going on multiple 10 game losing streaks makes him a good coach for young players.  Like if we were losing 3-1 or 4-2 and we saw improvement from younger players, I would be defending him.  Honestly, for me, its not the losing, its HOW we're losing.  So many games were pretty much over after the first period because we're down 3-0 or 4-0.  At what point is getting blown out detrimental to the morale of young players learning to play at the NHL level?  

    In regards to the topic, I think if we win the lottery, 5 years from now, Blashill will be gone and we'll be a playoff team.  Heck, I'm thinking 2-3 years from now we'll be back in the playoffs if we win the lottery.

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    1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    I mean, he's not going to throw him under the bus.

    No, he's not and I wouldn't expect him to do that.  However, he could say nothing or if asked he could say something like "Its been a tough year for everyone.  He's doing the the best he can do" etc.  Saying a lot of great things about him and he's a "good coach", will make him look a hipocrite when (fingers crossed) he gets fired.

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    7 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

    He says a bunch of happy talk about Larkin and the entire teams professionalism and work ethic and Blashills great job coaching and blah blah blah BS BS BS. He proceeds to really stand behind Blashill ANDDDDDDDDDD holeeeeeee f*** am I worried he's gonna keep this guy in town WTF Stevie. "The team has played hard and that's a sign of a good coach" Holy god Yzerman

    I really can't see Blashill staying.  I might take a year off watching the NHL if he's still our coach.  I can't suffer through another year of him.  "The team has played hard" under him?  Really?  Not sure what he's seeing that would indicate that.  Getting blown out by 3+ goals every night doesn't show that they're "working hard".  They look disorganized as hell and aside from a few players, I really don't see anyone out there working hard and its been that way for years.  This team has the potential to be the worst in the history of the franchise.  Praising Blashill is mind boggling, for sure.

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    7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

    This is the way you describe the player who you suggest should walk in the shoes of Yzerman, Lidstrom, and Zetterberg...

    VERY different situation.  Yzerman played on bad teams but he also won some games, played with talented players, made the playoffs.  Lidstrom and Zetterberg never knew bad teams or faced the kind of adversity Larkin is facing right now.  Larkin is on an island and the players that can help him are either injured, in the minors or not yet drafted.

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    Larkin has talent and the potential to be better.  I'd be more optimistic about our chances of turning things around quickly in this rebuild if we saw more players like him.  He, obviously, hasn't been great this year, but he is the player other teams focus on and doesn't really have a lot of talent around him to push through.  You also have to consider if his spirit is breaking a little bit.  Since his rookie year the team has been dreadful. I can recall many times over the past few years, seeing him flying around while everyone else on his line looks like pylons and he made positive things happen all by himself.  Now today, this team could be the worst in the history of the franchise.  I mean, he's human, its tough to go out there and bust your ass only to have things be worse than they were before.  Its tough to keep up that enthusiasm.

    Having said that, once we start acquiring talent, build some wins, he'll be back to the way he was, probably even better.  Trading Larkin should only be considered if 5 years down the line, we're still collecting lottery picks.

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    He's not going to be like "Blashill?  Man, that dude is so fired at the end of the year.  Hell, I might fire him in the 3rd period of our last game."  He'll say nice things, maybe he'll move him to another spot in the franchise or just let him go.  Either way I can't imagine, regardless of the talent on the team, a coach with a record this bad staying.  That really sends the wrong message.

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    Then why hold on to him? What's the benefit of keeping a clearly defeated horrible coach in the room? There isn't one. He's presiding over a record bad season, his players seem to have no confidence in him or themselves, and Yzerman has done nothing about this. Many other teams have fired coaches for far less this season. And yet Jeff is allowed to keep stirring his dump heap.

    Again, its an evaluation year.  What would firing Blashill in the middle of the year accomplish?  Maybe they win a few more games.  Bylsma would probably be the interim head coach and you probably wouldn't want him going forward, so you bring in another coach in the offseason.  You really think giving a young team 3 different coaches in the span of a year is a good idea?  Let him ride it out, see if he can work through it and if he can't (and I don't think he will), move on.

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    Oh thank god we have Bernier. Now the last 18 games will be 5-13-0 instead of 2-16-0. Thank god.

    As if winning matters anyway. The season is shot. Get your picks. Winning means nothing.

    People complained about Yzerman getting robbed by trading AA for 2 second rounders.  Teams aren't going to give up much for what would be their backup goalie.  If Bernier gets traded for a 6th round pick, people would be complaining "Yzerman got fleeced!".  But since he didn't trade him, now its "What an idiot!  Winning doesn't matter anymore"  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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    You know it, I know it. If Ken Holland had traded Regula for Perlini, or made any of these other pointless losing trades, folks would be pulling their hair out demanding Holland's head. But it's Yzerman and everyone has so much blood rushing out of their brains and into their boners over this guy that everyone just looks the other way on objectively bad trades.

    Yzerman should be held to the same level of accountability that Holland was. No free passes.

    Holland's trades, signings and draft picks is why we're in this situation in the first place.  Over the past ten years, Holland has slowly destroyed the Wings.  Over the past ten years, Yzerman took a franchise that was in a rebuild and made them one of the top teams in the league.  When you're one of the best GMs in hockey over the past 10 years, yes you get free passes.  Not forever, but at this point, less than one year into his job as Wings GM, yes he does.

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    True or false? You're full of excuses?

    Not excuses.  Just talking crazy people off the ledge. :lol:

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    Are you giving the Yzerman-pass on Nemeth and Fil then too? IDK why Holland signed Abdelkader to that ridiculous deal, but its his job to know better than us...

    Yes I am.  Holland did make a mistake signing Abby to that deal and it IS his job to know better than us.  He didn't do his job well and hadn't been doing his job well for sometime.  As I mentioned earlier, if Stevie makes these bad signings/trades/draft picks for a few years, then yes, he deserves any and all heat.  Until then, like Yzerman said, be patient.

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    So grade the season then

    Based on what criteria?  They have the worst record in the NHL, so are we supposed to give them an F?  We knew they were not going to be good this year before the season even started, so maybe we give them a C?  We're in a rebuilding year, evaluating what we have from players to coaches and I'm sure the front office has learned a lot, which is what their goal was from the start.  So do we give them an A?  Their really isn't way to "grade the season" seeing as how different people within the franchise had different goals.

     

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    Blashill is a big mess

    No doubt, he'll be gone after this year.

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    Bernier is not special

    He's not special, but I'd bet we don't win another game this year, if he's gone.

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    Yzerman couldn't even get a first for AA

    I like AA, but he's been injured, hasn't produced when he is in the lineup and is currently a -45.  You're not getting a first for that.

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    We basically traded Mike Green for Adam Erne
    He pissed away Regula and Kaski for nothing
    He pissed away Eric Comrie and Saarijarvi for nothing

    They might not be worth anything.  If they end up decent players, then yeah, they were bad moves, but we don't know anything at this time.  The rebuild isn't exactly getting set back any length of time because of these moves.

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    He's kept Cholowski in the NHL despite the player having no business being there yet, possibly hindering his development
    He committed 12 million dollars to a 4th line Filppula and a #6 Dman in Nemeth

    This is an evaluation year.  He wants to know what he has and what he doesn't.  Cholo is either going to sink or swim and Stevie wants to know now.  Not sure why he likes Flip or Nemeth, but its his job to know them better than us.

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    And the team sux to a record level the moment he took charge

    He said from day one to be patient.  He's not going to Ken Holland this, he wants to rebuild from the ground up, through the draft.  That's going to take time.  He could have changed the coach, called some people up, benched under performing vets, made trades throughout the season to replace the lost offensive production of Mantha and AA and they could have finished with the 5th or 6th worst record in hockey.  Its been a tough year to be sure, but they can only get better from this point forward and they'll get better by doing the right things.  

     

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    3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

    if Parise gets traded,then all the hype back in 12 was all for nothing! Too fricking funny!

    Now, with Suter having his verbal agreement with Detroit, and then ultimately getting convinced to pick Minny, you have to wonder if we could've won something between then and now with Suter as out top D.  We had a pretty damn good team in 2012-2013.  If Suter had signed here, our D would not had crapped out so quickly, maybe things here would'v been different and Suter might have had better results when it comes to playoffs and possible Cups.  Where is @centcougar when we need him!?!

    LOL I was wondering if anyone else remembered him.  He actually made me hate the Wild.

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    I think we should be able to get a nice return on Bernier.  Other teams have to see what he's dealing with in Detroit and figure he's worth something.  I mean, he's the only reason we have a slim chance of winning everything night.  When he's not in there its like us forfeiting the game.  Trade Bernier for a pick, let Howard go and start from scratch between the pipes.  I think that's long overdue as it is.

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    4 hours ago, F.Michael said:

    While I don't doubt Grand Master Ys ability as a GM, but we must keep in mind that when he arrived in Tampa - both Stamkos, and Hedman were already part of the team, and things were already trending in the right direction.

    Yes he did 'fine tune' things down there to help create the team that they are today (in particular my favorite example was letting Drouin rot while he has his hissy-fit, and then trading him to Montreal for Sergachev).

    We're still in the muck, and it'll be a few years, or more before things turn around...I'm not sure if some of the guys I mentioned will want to take on this endeavor...Babcock on the other hand needs to repair his reputation, and with his experience, and working alongside Grand Master Y - he might be the best guy for the job who's both willing, and able.

    He definitely had some pieces to build around when he started in Tampa, but from there he drafted Kucherov, Vasilevskiy, Brayden Point.  Traded for Ben Bishop before he became the All Star he is today.  Most importantly though, he found coaches in Boucher and Cooper that knew how to utilize Stamkos and Hedman and help them reach their potential at the NHL level.  There are a lot of players at the NHL level that are underachieving because of poor coaching.  A good coach will look at the Wings record, then look at its roster and see the untapped talent not living up to its potential and see an opportunity to really make a name for themselves.  An original six team with a history of greatness, good ownership, a GM with a proven track record and lots of good young prospects in their early 20s or younger.  Detroit has to be at the top of the list for any available coaches right now.

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    45 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

    Now if Grand Master Y were to let Blashill go this summer...

    What's the likelihood of Cooper being available, and/or Gallant/Laviolette wanting to coach the Wings - considering the condition the team is in?

    The more I think about it - Babcock just might be the guy who'll take the risk/reward as a reclamation project both for himself, and for the Detroit Red Wings.

    I think the success Yzerman had in Tampa will attract good coaches like Gallant or Laviolette.  They know they can count on him to load this team with high end talent, so I doubt the current state of the team will be a consideration when deciding on whether to take over as coach.

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    Every team in the league runs into problems, they solve them, make the necessary adjustments, get better and move on.  The Red Wings, this year, are not doing that.  They started off good, ran into a problem in the form of a 10 game losing streak, made no adjustments and never really fixed it.  Its now growing and getting worse and still nothing is being done.  THAT is why we're as bad as we are right now.

    I'm convinced that the Wings are trying, but not trying.  The players and coaches are trying to win games, but management isn't really making the necessary adjustments.  The team figures if they keep doing what they're doing, but harder, it'll eventually work.  A normal hockey team would have fired Blashill ages ago, made moves to cover up for Mantha and AA injuries, and bench the players that are performing the poorest.  We're not doing any of that.  Yzerman is trying to let everyone just work through it.  If this is just an evaluation year, which it appears to be, then that's all fine.  

    Maybe I'm just being too optimistic, but I truly believe that we have good talent now, its just being underutilized.  I'm not saying we're a great team, but we're much better than the standings would indicate.  Next year, we get a new coach, a new system, get the most out of these young guns we have that perform so well in juniors and in the prospects tournaments and it'll make a huge difference.

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    10 hours ago, solarion said:

    Wow Nemeth and Green were completely disorganized on that goal. Ugly.

    That goal pissed me off more than the others.  Nemeth looked like he was in position, then Green tried to switch spots with him (?), then didn't and basically gave him a free path to the net.

    I was pleasantly surprised that the score was only 4-2.  No superstars, no high end prospects (except Seider), and the Pens played pretty much all their starters.  Could have been really ugly.  Bernier was solid.  Our passing was bad and out of sync, but considering our typical bottom 6 were our top line forwards in this game, I wasn't surprised.  

    I was at the game, my son got a puck from one of the Red Wings trainers during warmups, we won free hot dogs somehow and I got to chat with other Wings fans outside this forum.

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