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  1. The Elite Dylan Larkin

    This kid just turned 21. A lot of players are not even in the NHL yet at 21. Meanwhile, he has a couple seasons and an all star appearance under his belt already. Elite has different meanings here. Some people are looking at his stats and saying he's not going to be elite because they're not like McDavid or Matthews numbers. However, Datsyuk and Zetterberg were never league leaders in scoring numbers, yet were considered to be elite in their prime because of how effectively they played both ends of the ice. Take a look at Datsyuk and Zetterberg's first couple years in the league. They were a little older and had much more talent around them than Larkin and his numbers are pretty similar to theirs. I'm optimistic that he'll become a solid two way player that can rack up an unusually high number of points for this type of player and will be very similar to Z and D. Whether that makes him elite or not is a matter of opinion.
  2. Off-season moves

    Maybe I'm looking at this group of forwards with rose covered glasses, but this is an impressive lineup especially considering most of them are young guys on the upswing. Fix that D and we're in the playoffs. Easier said than done, I know.
  3. Off-season moves

    You're right, we don't have very much cap space, so I'm not sure financially how he would do this either, but the fact that we're talking to him means that Holland has to have some kind of plan.
  4. Off-season moves

    Looks like we're still in the running for Vanek. I'd love to have him back. He played really well with us and if our season goes south again, we can always trade him again. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2017/07/12/detroit-red-wings-thomas-vanek/471942001/
  5. Non Stanley Cup Seasons that were the most shocking

    Of those teams, I picked 99. That was the year we got Chelios and we were already back to back champs and our roster was loaded for the next year. If Osgood doesn't get injured, we probably would have three-peated. However, overall, I think 95 was the most shocking. The Wings steamrolled everyone through the regular season, dominated every team they faced in the playoffs, then crashed into a brick wall in the Finals. I feel like if they had played anyone else, Wings would've won. I still look on that season fondly as if they had won the Cup though. That was a fun team and great era of hockey. The fact that the Presidents trophy winning Stars got bounced in the next round in 5 games helped take away the sting. That whole playoff situation with Giguere's pads, what a travesty. Minnesota got swept and almost didn't score a single goal in that entire series.
  6. Off-season moves

    This is a bit much. The streak being over doesn't mean its time for a fire sale. Also, the value of these players you listed is pretty low right now and selling low and buying FAs while their value is high is a sure way to continue to have cap problems. The truth is I bet we'd get much better performances out of guys like Helm, Nyquist and Abdelkader if they weren't playing in their own end most of the game because the defensemen can't get the puck out of the zone. This team, for as long as I can remember, have lived and died by its defensemen. We don't have good defensemen right now and its affecting the team as a whole. Its like the Wings forwards are this fancy Corvette, but its missing a steering wheel. You wouldn't scrap the whole car because of that. Just get what you need to make it complete.
  7. This is why this conversation keeps going around in circles.
  8. Absolutely. People will always find a reason to be unhappy. Some people just WANT to be unhappy, thus are pessimistic about everything and dislike it when people are optimistic about the team being successful. Not enough toughness has been a drum people have been banging on in this forum for years. Now he's getting toughness in the lineup and people are complaining. Its a no win situation for Holland.
  9. The SJ Sharks opened the 2015-2016 season as 80-1 odds too and then finished two wins away from a Stanley Cup. The 16th seeded Preds just made it to the Finals themselves. Just saying. Get into the playoffs and anything can happen. I know its cliche, but it kind of happened these past couple seasons. You're against tanking, but you're all for a proper rebuild which includes giving out opportunities to defensemen that have shown little to no promise to this point and basically give your team next to no shot of winning anything. I mean, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth here, but you don't want to tank, yet you want to put out players that increase your chances of not winning. We are continuing with a youth movement, which is why we didn't get Vanek back. The young forwards have shown potential and have won their roster spots. DK is a defenseman that showed potential and is rightfully being given a chance. The others have not, which is why we need a Trevor Daley right now. He's not the answer, but he gives our club a better chance of succeeding. I mean, think about this, what if Larkin, AA and Mantha are ready to light the world on fire this season, but they don't get that chance to shine because we've decided that we need to look at all these young unproven defensemen, so instead of filling their opponents net with pucks, those three are fishing pucks out of our own instead.
  10. I'm pretty pleased with this deal. Daley's made a difference on the Pens blueline the last couple seasons and he'll make a difference on ours. Will it get us back into the playoffs? Who knows? I wish we had more cap space to solidify this defense a little more. I understand it the popular belief that we should be "rebuilding" and "give the young guys a shot", but I don't think these are the right circumstances to do that. Its not like we have defensive prospects that we're just chomping at the bit to get onto the big club and signing Daley screws that up. We don't have the defenseman equivalent of Larkin, AA or Mantha just waiting in the wings, looking for a shot. XO, Jensen, Sproul, don't show that same kind of potential. Just throwing them out there to "see what they can do" is risky and a good way to ensure we're lottery picking again next June. The AHL is where we should "see what they can do". If their AHL numbers don't impress, why in the world would their NHL performance be any better? I don't know, I feel like some people are just looking around for a place to lay down and die when things really are not THAT bad. Give our young forwards a chance to carry this team. If we have 6 train wrecks sitting on our blueline, how is that going to be helpful to them or our goaltending? Veteran defensemen give you stability in a position that NEEDS stability. They're a good bridge so when you do eventually sign or draft a really good defensemen they won't be walking into a disaster.
  11. Off-season moves

    The Penguins were serious under achievers (at least in the playoffs anyways) before lower cap hit players like the ones I mentioned joined their team. They are successful because they're getting good production from players that have small cap hits and its off setting the massive cap hits from players like Crosby, Malkin and Letang. If Edmonton is going to have success as a team while paying McDavid $13 mil a year, they'll need to find similar players to off set that cap hit, which isn't easy. Take Tampa Bay for example. Going into the cap era, they were paying three players a ton of money and the rest of the team suffered.
  12. Off-season moves

    They should be going after, but would Yakupov WANT to play here? That's the other side people are forgetting. He was a bust on the Oilers, plays just one year in St Louis and is a free agent now. Whatever team he signs with now will make or break him as an NHL player. He needs to sign with contender that will give him other good linemates to help boost his stats and get his game on track. A Chicago or Pittsburgh type of team could do that. Maybe even Toronto. I don't think Detroit is the ideal fit for him, as much as I'd love to have him here. Not when it cripples your team cap wise. It crippled the Pens with Crosby and Malkin until guys like Murray, Haglin, Bonino, Schultz and other low cap hit players joined the team. Paying a guy that much in a team sport like hockey isn't really a good idea when you're going for a championship.
  13. Targets for the Wings

    Holland likes to know what he's getting into. When he signs a player like Vanek, he knows what type of player he's getting. When you draft guys out of juniors, regardless of how well they play there, you don't really know what they're going to do until they get into the NHL. Considering his track record with drafting defensemen over the past 10 years, I can see why he would feel this way.
  14. Targets for the Wings

    Well then we can agree to disagree on that. lol I think vets like Daley or Girardi would be an upgrade over guys like Sproul or XO. They are not just as talented. Sure Sproul and XO may end up being solid NHL defensemen someday and might be better someday, but while they're learning to play the position at the NHL level, our young forwards are going to waste. The way I see it, our forwards are in a good spot right now. They show promise, flashes of being really good. Unfortunately, our defensemen do not. I don't see why the team, as a whole, has to suffer. A lot of people want a full blown rebuild, but I don't think that's necessary right now. Veteran defensemen would give us more consistency/reliability from a position that needs those qualities.
  15. Targets for the Wings

    Yes. We've been pulling up these young defensemen for years and none of them have really worked out for us. I don't know if we're pulling them up too early or if they don't fit our system or if they're simply just not good enough. Suffering through these growing pains for defensemen that may not end up working out anyways is especially bad considering how many good young talented forwards we have. They're good but it doesn't matter because the defense isn't, our goaltenders get shelled and we're a below average hockey team. Veteran defensemen are a good way to bridge the gap until we can develop better defensemen.