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If we had enforcers a valuable guy like lilja wouldnt have to fight.

Are you serious? Because he made a decision to lay into another women hes obligated to support her for life? She can basically retire of that money unless shes a dumbass. I just don't get how they can do that. Obviously you need to pay some child support but 500k a year? f*** that bulls***.

thats what i was thinking

Or maybe its the fact that them teams lost alot of good players and their rosters are virtually s***?

Its not like Turco had himself in good position to make that save. I wouldn't call it a great save by any means. Little luck went along ways.

Yeah your right. The Wings definitely can afford to get rid of a great defensive player this season. Our defense has just been so great one of our top defensive players is expandable. We are scoring tons of goals if anything our offensive only players are the most expandable.

Heres a prime example of one of your stat sheet boys. Knows nothing about the game just googles the stats and catches the highlights on sports center. You failed to mention anything you know about these players from actual experience, All you have is these stats. See the thing is im aware of the stats you just shown me. Also when i said i don't actually have any facts. If you read what i wrote following that you would understand that i was talking about how many points each player has from being on the 1st/2nd line. I know your not the brightest guy in the world but my entire post was pretty much explaining why Flip doesn't have the numbers that the rest of these players have. Your entire post looks like you read my topic title and then went on to write your post.

Couldn't have said it better. You nailed it.

Although i don't agree. I'm glad to see that there are some people that are logical well thought thinkers around here. Your one of the few i have seen that can think outside the box. My opinion on the goalie thing. Detroit in recent years tends to run two goalies. Create competition for the job. Which is exactly what there doing this year. Osgood and Conklin for the most part split ice time. On top of this Osgood is playing because of the way Osgood has played for years. Babs is giving him the benifit of the doubt he can get himself back to his normal self. It's not the same comparison as Flip though. You might be thinking well thats exactly my point. Babcocks trying to get Flip going too. This is where we depart again. Flip is not in a slump, Flip is playing great. Just as good as last year if not better. Flip gets ice time because Babs can trust him on the ice. When we are in 2-2 games you don't just play Flip because you think he needs work for playoff time and want to develop him. You play him because you know at the end of his shift the scores still going to be 2-2.

When the coach of your hockey team gives a player the 4th most ice time out of the forwards. Doesn't that mean hes your 4th "Best" forward. When your coach trusts Flip on the ice over the guys were comparing to. Doesn't that mean hes the better player? I clearly said i think hes the 4th best player. When the coash gives him the 4th most responsibilities doesn't that mean hes your 4th best forward? To be a 4th best player requires offensive and defensive upside. Which means 2 way threat. Sorry you don't understand simple things. Maybe ill write a version for little kids to beable to understand just for you. Um Franzens not making more than Flips right now there buddy. Do you watch the games? Yes bab does like to do that, but if you pay attention to the games something he likes to do isn't always what he does do. Flips plays against top lines on a regular basis. This is fact not fiction. Yeah someone that rates players by the stat sheet would hold an opinion of that sort. Stick to the more general topics. If your a casual viewer stick to casual topics. You don't belong of discussion about hockey with me.

Babcock must just be an idiot. I mean its not like hes an NHL coach or anything. LGW posters seem to know alot more than Babs. See the funny thing here is. All you guys run Flips down and argue my post. I have Babcock on my side. You guys have score sheets influencing your minds with no logical explanations or concepts behind any of your reasoning. Babcock gives Flips more ice time for a reason. WHY??? Hes the best guy to have on the ice. That right there makes him our 4th best forward.

Good post. Let me add Hudlers defensive play to that. Horrible enough said. Now Cleary? Hes decent both ways. Hes not offensively nor defensively as talented as Flip. Hes a hard working grinder thats all.

Why? Because we have guys that are better on the power play. Notice i said Flip is our best 2 way forward in my post. Never once did i say Flip is the 4th best offensive talent. Hes got alot better offensive talent than some you like to believe. The Thing is he is a better two way complete player. With his offensive and defensive ability's combined he is our 4th best player. Flip would easily have 45 points or so right now if he has been on our 2nd line all season long like the guys im comparing him against. Flips offensive ability is underestimated for one reason. Simply because of his point total. I guess i was kidding myself when i thought i could make some of you noobs understand something about hockey besides. What is shown on the score sheet. Hudlers defence?

Dude for one you are so lost right now you have me laughing. How you can manage to try to sound so intelligent and be so far lost ion everything i said is quite funny. How does stating facts about Flips defensive side move away from my "bold topic title?" To be the 4th best forward you need to have a good offensive game and defensive game, theirs multiple pieces to hockey. I supported his offensive ability telling you why he doesn't have as many points as you guys claim he should, then i supported his defensive play. Combined equals a great forward. Got it? For two. When i say 4th best forward, i mean behind Dats, Zet, and Hossa. You just listed them guys like i was saying Flip is better than them. Who do you think i said was in front of Flip when i said 4th best in my "bold topic title?" We could argue all day about Franzen but thats your opinion. I noted very clearly in my post that i know Flip has more ES time than all of those guys. If you weren't half brain dead you would have noticed that. Now go back to that section and read why i said he has more ES time and what hes up against during that extra ES time. Then you'll understand my point. Less use of it? Haha. Dude read my post. Well its clear you didn't acknowledge any of my writing that supports Flip. To reply to what you just wrote i would be repeating what i already said. If you want to know what i think about this, then try reading my orig post. Again, im not going to write something i already said that you failed to read.

As much as i would like to see Hudler stay over Franzen, That being said if we could keep Hossa, Flip, Hudler. It only makes sense to let Hudler go for the draft picks. Theres no way you can sign Hudler over Franzen for near the same price when you can benefit from those draft picks. I don't know how there managing to keep Hossa and Franzen if this is actually true but wow. Hopefully Clearly doesn't have to be moved for this to happen.

Filppula is the 4th best two way forward on the Detroit Red Wings Roster. I've seen enough uneducated hockey fans around here trying to run this guy down because of one single reason. The "stat sheet."So im going to take a few minutes out of my time to try and educate you folks a little bit. I think we can all agree that Flips has had the least 1st/2nd line ice time out of Huds/Cleary/Franzen/Sammy. Agree? Yup, its true and all of them players are the only forwards above Flip in terms of points besides the big 3 and homer. Note, I do realize Flip gets more even strength ice time. Its for a reason too. Babs trusts him on the ice more than he trusts the guys above that i listed. Now, I don't actually have any facts to back this statement up but im willing to say that a very large portion of Huds/Cleary/Franzen/Sammys points have came from being on the 1st/2nd line. Its kind of hard not to get points when your on the ice with any portion of the big 3. f*** i could put up some points on the Wings if i was playing with them guys. Some of you might say, "well, if hes so good why doesn't Babs ever player him on the 2nd line?" Simple. Its not because Babs doesn't think hes good enough to play there. It's because Flip is our 3rd best pivot. Hes the only player we have capable of centering out the 3rd line. Flips is the heart and sole of our third line and he will be the heart of our 2nd line once we loose some players. As of now we got Huds/Cleary/Franzen that can be playing a second line role. These players aren't nearly as important to making our third line a threat as Flips. Another reason Flips doesn't have as many points as you guys assume a 3 mill year player should have. I don't know if you guys get off the internet and actually watch the Wings game. If you do watch the games you might notice Flip spends alot of time on the ice against other teams top lines. It does make things a little harder for you when constantly on the ice with the worlds premier players. Take that into slight consideration on top of all this. Now lets talk a little bit about Flips game. He is also our 3rd best defensive forward. If i was to count how many times a game Flips creates turnovers compared to the guys i have been comparing him to, it would be a blowout. You guys needs to watch the games really close and critically. Watch more than just the guy with the puck. Watch like your the coach. His positioning is superior, he forces guys to make bad decisions out there every single shift. The puck doesn't always get turned over to Flip as a result of his great defensive skills but to be turned over to another Wing on the ice. Result, some of you casual viewers may not understand that indeed the reasoning behind why puck got turned over was in fact a direct result of what Flip did.

lol. Read my post

Well im pretty sure they would send either Osgood/Conklin the other way as part of the deal. Technically you could sign a goaltender for around roughly 4.5mill. That being said if your moving a player in the 3mill value range like the thread starter said. Although this isn't going to happen i just wanted to make that point.

Do you want to place bets that they don't?

Wow. lol Backstrom? You do realize Min is in the race for a playoff spot right? Do you think they are going to get rid of their key piece to any chance at all to make the playoffs? They already dumped Fernandez and Roloson. I'm pretty sure they have plans on locking this guy up and building around him and Koivu. Brods? Dude Brods is like Yzerman was to Detroit. Get real.

If we retired guys like that then we wouldnt have any numbers left.

Flip aint going nowhere. Babcock just said tonight he thinks hes our best guy breaking up the center and has alot of potential. He just needs a bigger role and you will see good things from him.

What about the TV ratings though?

Let Leino and Huds get signed by someone hopefully a crap team and get their high draft draft picks. After we win the cups this year trade Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall for more draft picks. Time to rebuild this team sucks. Joking of course.

Will you guys for once wake up and take on thing into high consideration? "Time of possession," Red Wings controlled the puck atleast 15-20% longer per game last season than they have this season. Which means more than likely more shots for the Red Wings and on top of that less shots for the opponent and less scoring chances. Prove me wrong, do it. I said do it.