Carman

Damn the Red Wing's for not developing a top 10 NHL player with every pick.

I said up and down the roster meaning being shuffled through the lines.

Nice job Helmer drawing that penalty.

Do my homework? This certainly isn't work for me. Leino was demoted to the 4th line in one game, then completely sat out the next. Granted it was only one game, but it was pretty evident Babcock did it to send a message for him, he was announced a healthy scratch. You don't have to believe that, but I'm not the only one who thinks it went down like that. So what I'm saying is Babcock is willing to discipline players he thinks are not playing well. He's also done it numerous times with Hudler.

CLEARYYYY. We are finally getting these dirty goals. Team certainly lookinggood tonight.

Draper hasn't played center all season, just because he takes face-offs doesn't mean he has full defensive responsibility in the defensive and offensive zones. And I'm not saying Helm can't play with Datsyuk, it would just create a huge hole on the PK. Helm is our forward leader on the PK in TOI, if you increase his even strength ice time he will be playing a considerable amount more which usually ends up with very poor results with players of his age. He would have to be getting a lot more TOI, and play significantly more time in role he has never played before. He would also have to become one of the team leaders in TOI if he were to keep playing on the PK which I can almost 100% rule out won't happen with a rookie-2nd year player. Helm is one of our best if not our best PKer and we can't afford to increase his playing time in anyway that might affect his current role. Not to mention Helm is absolutely thriving in his current role as a 3rd line center. Now is not the time to try and force him into a gamble situation. Especially when the gamble could create more problems then it began with. I'm not happy with Bertuzzi at all, he is not making good decisions with the puck. But I accept the fact that due to injuries he is the best option we have. And if you think Leino is up and down the roster based purely on match-ups I don't know what to tell you.

He probably isn't even hurt and is faking his injury to try and get a lesser punishment.

Well sometimes it's good to be a player for a team like Florida

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What was he thinking. I'm hoping Vokoun is alright and I feel awful for saying this, but I cannot stop laughing. That is one of the most ridiculous incidents I've ever seen, Ballard has to be looking for some place to hide for a long long time after that one...

Ovechkin needs to get sent a message, his reckless style is going to ruin his career. We can't afford to lose someone of his caliber to useless, and dirty plays like this. Come on Ovie you're better than that.

He is rewarded in the sense he is getting to play with Datsyuk and hasn't been a healthy scratch like Leino or Eaves. The reason those particular centers cannot play together is you'll have to take a PKer off the PK in order to give him more even strength time. Draper is also playing wing this season, Babcock is not playing him as a center. Helm is the 3rd line center, and Abby is the 4th line center. You haven't seen Abby and Helm on the ice together, at least not delibirately. There's a proper explanation, It's hard to follow what I wrote on an Iphone sorry about the misunderstanding. Your sarcasm could use some work though.

Miller is already looking like a brilliant waiver pick up. Tampa is going to be kicking themselves. Great goal, and great pace to this game.

I feel datsyuk needs an elite shooting winger to be able to produce than a couple gritty young players that haven't been proven to produce.

Trying to throw helm on the first line will take him off the PK... He isn't going to be getting datsyuk ice time. Look we don't have a winger that is better than Bertuzzi until flippula comes back. Everyone that is being suggested are 3rd or 4th line pkers which is a much more vital role for the team then an even strength gamble.

On my iPhone going to keep this short and sweet. I brought up faceoffs as a stat which shows how crosby improves, and that he is center and I value centers higher than wingers that's all. I feel a center has more responsibilities on the ice and that covers the differences in goals and hits between Ovie and Crosby in my mind. Btw there are plenty of wingers that take faceoffs it's not exclusive for centers but that wasn't my point.

No you haven't provided any evidence of him "sucking". You are clearly insane. Hopelessly repeating the same thing hoping it comes true and everything. I pity you.

Do you post anything else?

Fair enough, I'd rather not have to try and find more PKers to fill the void left by one of them. If one of them get called up, they are going to be playing in roles they are not expected to play and brought here to play, and are getting taken out of what they are on the team for in killing penalties. That is why Bertuzzi is being forced into this role, he has experience and his TOI isn't dedicated to penalty killing.

Glad he's getting suspended hopefully I can see less of the "OMG BETTMAN'S PENGUINS". Cooke is an idiot for that hit.

If you've watched Bertuzzi he usually is a passer rather then shooter. Most of his goals came from getting the puck to the net, rather than shoots from outside the circle. He is being asked to get the puck to the net for Holmstrom. That's what I believe at least. That's how Franzen plays on that line, and that's how Hossa played on that line. It's just unfortunate because Bertuzzi no longer possesses a shot like that. And really no one on the team besides Zetterberg does at the moment. His play style is much like a poor man's Thornton he is a very underrated passer. Also Bertuzzi plays on the PP with Cleary and Leino. The first PP is ZDH. And I understand he doesn't handle the puck as much as Datsyuk, but he is getting a lot of TOI and isn't bad in Giveaways/TOI. Sure he isn't Forsberg with the puck, but do you honestly think Miller or Maltby would be better playing against players like Shea Weber in the offensive zone? We already have a lack of size in the top 6, replacing our biggest presence also won't help.

Miller/Eaves/Maltby/Draper are 3rd-4th liners and do not have the experience in playing 5v5 ES verse top opponents. Bertuzzi at least has experience. Not to mention those players ice time is usually saved for PK situations and Bertuzzi is not a PKer, so it's not just that easy to switch them in and out. Now if Bertuzzi was getting no shots on net, leading the team in giveaways, leading the team in PIM, and not hitting than I can see one of them getting a shot over him, but that is not the situation. He just isn't finishing, and none of the other options are proven goal scorers.

That's fine, but all I was saying is we could be in a lot worse situation right now then worrying about Bertuzzi hitting posts. Bertuzzi shouldn't be on the PP or on the first, but we literally have no other options.

That wasn't in reference directly to you, I guess I should of said produce like Hossa instead of shooting % like Hossa. Sorry And the bolded is exactly what I'm trying to get across. I don't expect him to be anything more then a 3rd line winger when our team is fully healthy. Those were my expectations, and that's why I'm not outraged by his lack of production. And he isn't even close to being that bad on giveaways he has the same amount as Datsyuk. And that's because he is a 3rd liner playing against 1st liners.

Zetterberg even plays better in International play. Datsyuk can never play well in meaningful games.