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Did not see this posted yet feel free to delete if I missed it. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-wings-put-johan-franzen-long-term-injury-221434926--nhl.html http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/11/19/update-red-wings-put-franzen-concussion-symptoms-on-ltir/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs *Can you please change topic to LTIR*

This forum makes me giggle sometimes and cry others. Let me get this straight if I can pull this out of my... um memory banks... When the Wings hit on a draft pick it is to the scouts credit. When the Wings miss on a draft pick, Holland picked the wrong guy. Lids leaves and the Wings have no replacement (for one of, if not the, best d-man ever, because those grow on trees) it is Hollands fault for not being prepared. Holland is prepared for Dats leaving, finds a sucker another team to take his contract, and the only thing given up is the 16th pick, and it is an epic fail???? Did I miss anything?

Did we actually expect more of an owner? I mean sure there are owners who build stadiums on there own dimes, but for the most part they spend hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars on new venues. Charge astronomical prices for seats, parking, food, drink. They have very very little compassion or concern for their fan base. And if the fan base were to actually stand up to this guy he would threaten to move the team,s ticking the fan base with the bill for the stadium and no home team to rout for. St. Louis Rams is all you need to use for a reference. These billionaires care very little about you and I, that has been obvious for a long time!

This kid seems to have an amazing head on his shoulders. He is playing for his hometown team, cool as a cucumber. Playing with guys that just 4-6 years ago he was idolizing, cool as cucumber Playing as a rookie in the ASG, cool as a cucumber. Breaks the fastest skater record, cool as a cucumber and as humble as can be. Compare that to what happened with Sequin in Boston (I don't believe all of the stories, Boston sports teams are vicious when a player is on his way out), this kid has the makings of a GREAT Red Wing Captain. I find myself drawn to anything about him right now, he is just an all around good kid, with great physical gifts. I hope to see him in the winged wheel for a long time!

If he didn't extend his arms in a cross check manner, or avoid an opposing player right after hitting the ref, I can see the "He was concussed" debate. But his actions tell me he was pissed there was no call on the play and took it out on the first Zebra he saw.

You know I wonder this every time they land a big free agent or someone willing waives a no trade clause to go there. Other than the very distant past what separates Toronto from Phoenix or Florida?

Disclaimer: I only saw the highlights. Thought the hit was clean, unfortunate, but clean. Barkov was in a bad position, still surprised that he didn't get a game,simply because who really knows what will get a suspension and what won't these days!

YES!!!!!! That means no Phanuef to the Wings!! Best news I have heard all day!

How about this for a happy medium: Dylan Larkin is an elite member of his draft class. See, now we recognize his (potential for) greatness, but also keep in perspective that he needs to do it consistently over multiple years before he is elite in the NHL!!!

I will refrain from name calling but you definitely missed the dead things era if you think this is remotely close to that. Read my sig!

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14047409/nhl-nicklas-lidstrom-subtly-transformed-detroit-red-wings-hall-fame-career Didn't see this on the forum, if it exists please delete. Some interesting stories, most are well known to Wings fans, but I can never get enough 19 or 5!

I thoroughly believe Lids could play tomorrow, his conditioning may not be what it was, but he is still in good shape (compared to a tub like me) and his game was never predicated on being the biggest, fastest, or most athletic, he always was the smartest guy on the ice. And I love me some 19, but his body was shot when he walked away and could not play again, Lids on the other hand walk away before the game walk away from him.

I think it is because Helm reminds me so much of a young Draper that I am so hesitant to trade him. However, the youth in this system makes him replaceable, and as his expected salary climbs it also makes him more replaceable. If he did all the things he does now, and ever found a way to have half the hands Abby does I would say he would be damn near impossible to get rid of. But his speed has set him up so many times and then he gets off a poor/weak/meh shot and the rush was really for naught! I love his grit and balls man (to quote Kevin Garnett), but there is a definitive cap for what I would want the Wings to pay for that. Back to Topic, I think 4.5- 5 mil for 4 years is what it will take to sign Abby, a proven top line net front presence with some real nice hands is not going to be cheap. He may not be Homer-esque, but he is the best the Wings have had since, IMO!

I would make the change when one of the following two things happen: 1. Jimmy and Petr become a problem in the locker room. According to some quotes currently both guys see this as a challenge and are supporting each other. 2. One of them shats the bed. Other than that keep the rotation going, I think the decline of Howard towards the end of seasons has been due to logging too many minutes. I think J-Ho's body just cannot handle 60+ starts a year. If both of these guys can play at current level (they are almost mirror images stat wise), missing a couple of games will help them rest and hopefully keep on the same pace.

https://octopusthrower.com/2015/10/16/detroit-red-wings-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-johan-franzen/ Another article on the subject

Preface: I am no where near a professional athlete! I am always torn when it comes to the "he should retire for his own well being." Would I be able to walk away, would I know it is time to walk away. Would I be like Lidstrom and walk away before the game gets away from me, or be like Cleary and hang around too long (IMO) and that is players who are/were a lot healthier than Mule. I think about walking away from even league minimum salary and what I would be able to make away from the game. In a situation like Mule's, I think would I realize what is happening, would I be able to walk away from my life goal because I get headaches and nausea (not trying to down play it, just hypothesizing how I would view it.) I think he should walk away, but I do not know that in the moment I would be able to walk away.

I don't understand how that was a missed call, I think of a missed call as something that happened out of the ref's sight. He was watching the whole play, to me that was a bad no call, very similar to the Lions/Seahawks call (not a lions or seahawks fan). Semantics I know, but that is the most dangerous place on the ice for that hit, poor officiating which is problematic in this league, well really all leagues. Isn't there a review process for this, I am not saying that hit deserved a suspension, but someone needs to say "Hey kid, keep that up and we will probably be suspending the guy who took your head off!", and then let the rest of the world know he has been warned, then when he does it again no one is surprised when he is suspended, or we can all be up in arms when nothing happens (the more likely scenario given who he is)! Transparency would be nice! My question is what would have happened had the hit been reversed, and McDavid ends up face down? EDIT: Got lost in my own thoughts, my original point was the league needs to be more transparent and tell the fans and teams if they spoke to McDavid or the officials about the hit!!!

The only way I want Phanuef here is if it is Phanuef + a 3rd (For Babcock) + a 1st for taking a lazy, overpaid, overhyped D-man off of their roster!

He looks like wee man!

I think he meant to say 2016 conditional 3rd (could be a 2nd)

Very solid deal, best part of all is this eliminates the Phanooops possibility!

If you think either of the players KH traded away are worth a 2nd, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn! Both players combined might have got you the second rounder, maybe but I doubt it. But like other's have said you lost credibility when comparing Cole to Cleary!

Gus got hurt, huh, in other news rain is wet! That is all, we now return you to your regularly scheduled LGW rants!

As some one who dogs Feds for his lack of interest, there is no way you can group him in with the likes of Ovie and Hull.

nevermind