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Yeah me and my brother were watching together. We figured there was a fight in the stands or something.

This board is too obsessed with the word classy. Hockey isn't supposed to be classy

He barely has muscle, or weight at least he gets pushed around like 90. It really isn't thought that counts though, Hudler isn't scared to go in corners but that doesn't mean he's even remotely effective in them. I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying there are guys that would be more effective and its true they would. He just isn't strong enough to do anything but play the PP well and play against other teams third lines. I can think of a few. People seriously overrate Hudler.

Lidstrom hasn't been that great defensively either this year compared to usual. You can really tell he's getting old. Instead of being the elite of the elite in the league he's starting to look like just an average number 1 defenseman. He's been making turnovers you would have never seen last season. He's just not the same guy, and I'm really not surprised Green is nominated over him. Is Green better? No, but he is putting up huge numbers so he's getting an honourable mention. Lids really didn't deserve top 3 honestly.

Yeah a clean hit on a star player. I would love him here and I'm sure if he was a wing and did that clean hit to Crosby you would love it.

Yeah but he doesn't have the muscle or the physical game at all. He doesn't even have a little bit of a physical game its non existent. Thats why he doesn't get a chance because he's too weak to play against top 2 lines. Its kinda like saying if Helm had Datsyuks hands he would score more. Fact of the matter is he doesn't.

Unless youre talking about a different play, Fisher got pushed into Orpik and shouldn't have even got a penalty let alone a suspension.

Yeah but over the course of a full regular season I would probably rather have Keith or Doughty. Well doughty for sure. The problem is is that the game isn't only one minute, its an 82 game grind and age has taken its toll on Nick. Thanks for the input on the thread.

The general feel (not on this thread in general but the whole website) is that everyone still thinks Lids is the best in the game. While he is still good he just simply isn't the greatest anymore.

Crombeen is alegit 3rd liner in the league I don't think we'll see him here. I could see Winchester coming from St louis though unless he resigns there. Detroit is close and he can chip in and actually play as well. Prust would be a good option as well, he's young too. Is he a free agent though?

Wear a face shield? Learn to block shots? He was turning his face as it hit him. Have you ever blocked a shot, I would love to see you not face it when you first go down for the block. You gotta make sure its getting released or get up really quick and get back in position. The guys tougher then our whole team combined for god's sake and you're saying he's dumb. Pfft ya right.

If you take off the Homer glasses guys its easy to see that Lids didn't really deserve to win or really get nominated. Its an award for best defenseman, Nick has been shakier then usual this year on the defensive end with almost no offensive output. Doughty and Keith are both deserving, not Green however. Nick simply isn't the best in the game anymore, its a changing of the guard. I'm pretty sure its awarded to the best defenseman not best defensive defenseman. Noone has ever said defenseman aren't supposed to put up points too, just like forwards aren't supposed to just forecheck.

Well if thats what hes talking about then hes a complete retard. He probably hasn't even watched a hockey game to know that people play defensively on a PK. 5 on 5 I'm almost positive they didn't trap though.

The wings hardly eve play a trap. We're not the devils or minnesota. And he says Babcock is an embarrassment by how he coached at the olympics? Yeah they only won a gold medal retard. I'm pretty sure Canada didn''t even play a trap either.

I said that I didn't think they would be. What I said is that Armstrong would be better for this team. Detroit is moving away from 3 scoring lines and a 4th line and more into a 2 scoring line grind line 4th line team. Hudler won't fit that system, because he isn't a top 6 player.

How do you know what Kenny Holland thinks? He's loyal to the people he drafts. How do you know he doesn't think he would be better off signing armstrong and trading Hudler but just doesn't do it because he's loyal? Or how do you know he won't sign Armstrong? Just cause he hasn't yet, but you never know he might. I doubt he will but too say you know what Kenny thinks is done. What Kenny thinks and what Kenny does can be two different things.

Just flipped on the game and Pierre is asking where Broke Back Mountain was filmed? Seriously questioning this guy

Hudler is invisible in the playoffs. Stats aren't everything. A guy like Colby Armstrong would be much more beneficial in the playoffs then Hudler. I guarantee you our team would be better off with 2 draft picks plus Colby Armstrong then just Hudler. I'm not saying I think this will happen but to think that this wouldn't make our team better is dumb. If you get rid of Hudler you free up basically 3 million or have about 3 million to spend after other guys come off the books and with 3 million you can get either a) a better offensive guy then Hudler who can play top 6 b) a strong 2 way guy like Armstrong who can hit and fight and will be noticeable come post season.

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Like I said, a guy who brings 20 less points in the regular season, that can hit, fight and show up in the playoffs if nothing else but laying out bodies in the top 6 is much more important to a team then a 60 point getter that can't play in his own zone or be even slightly effective in the corners. Think of it this way. We could trade Hudler for a couple prospects or draft picks, with that money sign Armstrong. Essentially youre trading Hudler for Armstrong and 2 prospects. Sounds good to me anyday. Its obvious that Hudler can put up points. What he can't do is play defense or be physical which are integral parts of hockey. Detroit believes in solid two way play from all forwards, Hudler was the only one last season that couldn't play good defensively. Dats and Z are still physical players, especially compared to Hudler.

Youre comparing guys like Z, and Datsyuk and Lidstrom, three guys who will be hall of famers to Hudler. I never said physicality meant defense, I mean if a guy pays defense as well as another guy but lays people out at the same time, the big hitter is more valuable. A healthy cleary will put up 10 more points a season then Hudler. Armstrong is a better option then Hudler.

Got it, but you don't get the point that he's not a huge offensive guy, what does he do in playoffs? Gets laid out to give the other team momentum and be too smalls and slow to make an impact. I would sacrifice 20 points in the regular season for a guy who will actually make an impact come playoff time. Hudler's 57 points doesn't mean s*** come playoffs.

We also already have a lot of soft players. Datsyuk, Z, Cleary and Flip should be put into scoring roles and not have to worry about defense. WIth guy like Hudler on the team it is more likely that they'll be forced into playing more defensively. If Dats or Z are stuck playing with Hudler they'll have to play twice as defensive to cover for his liable ass. I wouldn't say Clarkson would be a better fit for our team's top 6 I would say he would be a better fit for our team however. And Armstrong would be a hell of a lot better then Hudler by far. You guys talk about how Hudler put up that many points playing on the 3rd line with bad players. Armstrong played for Atlanta and didn't play with Kovalchuk a lot. Hudler has played with twice the talent in his career then Armstrong and Armstrong would be a guy that people would keep their head up for. I don't think anyone keeps their head up for Hudler, even with their head down they're staring at the top of his head the guy is so damn small.

I'm sure he'll put up good numbers but with more ice time I really doubt he would get alot more points. Playing against better competition would effect his points per time on ice drastically. Plus the fact that he is a PP specialist getting points really stacked his numbers. He also was on a third line that this year has a 30 goal scorer and Flip who has came out as a legit top 6 forward. It wasn't your average third line. I'm not mad to have him coming back but I would be happier trading him for someone that can play offense and defense. 3 million could get us a pretty solid second liner.

Say all you want about him not being the reason we were handcuffed etc. The guy is still the most one dimensional player I think I've ever seen. 57 points doesn't mean that much when you can't play on a 2nd line because youre not responsible enough defensively