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Heaten, you're always such a whiner when someone disagrees with something you say. First, I didn't misread your post. I didn't imply that you said Holland should offer package xyz. I said that I thought what you were suggesting it would take to get Ryan was high. Second, I never said the Ducks are going to 'help those Detroit Red Wings by taking major underpayment'. Just because I think your package is too high doesn't imply that I would think the Ducks would give him away either. Third, you can sling insults if you want. But ultimately any one who reads this thread can see you getting all defensive just because I disagreed with your proposal.

There's no need to get offended. It was actually kinda funny

Yeah, I mean everyone can have their opinion on what Ryan's value (in a trade) would be but it's funny for him to rip one trade proposal for value and then hit the opposite end of the spectrum by way over paying - at least in my opinion. Personally, I like Parise as a player better than Ryan. I think he's more well rounded and would be an excellent leader for some time. That being said, I feel as though the asking price for Parise would be higher than Ryan and with Parise's knee injury maybe that's a bit more of a risky move. I'm not saying Anaheim would ever deal to the Wings but Ryan may be the safer play. But I do agree that the Wings have the pieces to make a deal happen. I think the bulk of the teams that would be trying to acquire Ryan would be looking for that extra piece to make them real, full blown contenders so unless the Ducks want to trade for Jeff Carter or something I don't think they'll be getting that 2nd line centre type they may be after.

The initial trade proposal was super low that but yorus is equally super high. Bobby Ryan is awesome, and I would gladly take him, but the price your listing is essentially for an absolute superstar in this league.

yumma hamma it's fright night Whenever I hear this sort of thing I always wonder the extent of validity to the comments. I coudl see two former teammates stiring it up to hype the 24/7 show. But then again, Shelley is a bit of a moron so maybe Dubinsky took offense. Who knows, but knowing the 'Marketing Geniuses' at the NHL I bet it's fake

Staal is an elite talent in this league. His has a significantly high cap hit but that would not stop any team from picking him up. Every team would want him. That being said, absolutely zero chance that the Hurricanes even consider moving him. Kaberle is a joke.

Free Agent Zach Parise For everyone who is dreaming of Parise the article is a good read

I'm not saying I'm opposed to Turris being on the Wings if a reasonable trade could be had. What I am saying is that things should be kept in perspective. It was directed more at the posts that said he'd be an instant upgrade to the top 6. Also, you can cite the fact he was a 3rd overall choice all you want but I can also cite that he hasn't yet come close to living up to those expectations and that his holdout shows a lack of character that most wouldn't want on this team. Alexander Daigle was a 1st overall choice - there was a reason for that too. If he were to come to the Wings, based on some of the posts I've read, there would be people disappointed he didn't light the world on fire with his production.

You're dilusional. Every time you're in one of these absurd defend-Hudler-to-the-death modes and I decide to chime in I make it abundantly clear that I don't blindly hate on him and that I want him to succeed. You like to chastize everyone for their assumed blind hatred but can't, even for a second, take note of the fact that you're at the complete opposite end of the spectrum with your complete blind infatuation. There are some of us posters who look at Hudler objectively (as much as possible) and some times applaud what he does and some times knock what he does. You, like a few others around here, talk as though your opinions are facts. Sorry to break the news but they aren't. It is not a fact that Kronwall skated back lazily. It is not a fact it as a blind pass to the point. It is not a fact that Howard was not attempting to stop the puck. Those are your twisted, dilusional opinions. Even if by some stroke of assanine absurdity I conceeded that Kronwall was lazy on that play, that Cleary made a blind pass, and that Howard didn't try, the fact remains that Richards was Hudler's man. Hudler chose to stay at the blueline and try and stop the puck with his stick. He screwed it up and let his responisbility go. Powerplay or not, Hudler (just as everyone else) should be thnking defense first. He missed the puck and got burnt, badly, by Richards. Eva, you can sit there all you want and be the world's biggest Hudler apologist (and sometimes, although few and far between, I think you get a tough label as being too pro-Hudler and I actually agree, at least in principle, with some of the things you say) but you're no better than the blind idiotic Leaf fans who have been claiming 'this is the Leafs year to win the cup' for the last 20 years. Try taking a look at things objectively for once because it's become insanly obvious that you think Hudler can absolutely do no wrong.

No. Commodore needs to be in more games. I think you keep Commodore for depth purposes but at the same time you have to have him getting some minutes so that if/when an injury does happen he isn't coming in after not having played in 2 months. I say, now with White returning, Smith will (eventually) be sent down and the Wings are back with their original 7 roster defensemen.

Reading this thread was harder than Ron Jeremy in his prime. The absurd blinders were so over the top it's ridiculous. I'm not a Hudler Hater, nor a blind defender, but the Richards goal was completely his fault. That being said, I do think he's played pretty well on the PP (as good as any forward on the point in the passed few years) and I think he's been getting some chances that haven't been going in.

This blows my mind. I'm not knocking Turris' 'potential' but to say he'd be an isntant upgrade is ridiculous. To those who claim they'd rather have Turris in the line up than Hudler the only way you shoudl think that is if you still truly see the potential in Turris but it certainly wouldn't help the Wings in the here and now. People think Turris is some offensive gem when in reality last season was the first full season he played with the Coyotes without being demoted. He posted 25 points in 65 games. Turris did look pretty solid in the playoffs so I'm not full blown knocking him as a player but people need to keep things in perspective

If you think that's ridiculous you should have heard Glen Healy on CBC Hockey Night in Canada. He actually said, in all seriousness, that he thought the NHL should send out a league wide memo to all of the teams tell players to lay off physically on Crosby for a while to protect him. Personally, I'm glad he came back and played well. I don't hate him. I'd much rather laugh at the absurdity of the media whacking off to Crosby than listen to the reports on him if he had played poorly or gotten hurt.

1. If you think Christensen and Armstrong looked like two top-6 forwards then that's fine, but I didn't think that at the time. I would have maybe thought, at most, one of them could become a top-6. 2. Saying the price for Hossa was cheap because Waddell dealt him specifically to Lou is a cop out. GMs don't just give players to their buddies. 3. If you personally don't want to acknowledge the validity of trade values that go against your point/argument that's fine. You can treat them like a statistical aberation. But market prices for players is dictated by supply/demand, signing potential of the rental, cap space etc. Don't pretend that Waddell dealt with Jersey and no one else what so ever because him and Lou are friends.

I agree - even if it's just a rental - for a couple of reasons: 1. As you noted, it could be Lidstrom's last year 2. Showing Nick you're still committed to providing the Wings with a good chance at the cup (assuming they lost) could entice him to stay yet again 3. It would add a new dimension to this team

Come on, the Cleary hate is stupid. Take a look at his game log from last year. In his first 10 games he had 1 goal and 3 assists. The difference between last year and any other year (this year included)was his 8 goals tear in 6 games between Nov 5 and Nov 17. Apr 10 '11 DET @ CHI* 1 1 2 Apr 8 '11 CHI @ DET 0 0 0 Apr 6 '11 DET @ CAR 0 0 0 Apr 3 '11 MIN @ DET 0 0 0 Apr 2 '11 DET @ NSH* 1 0 1 Mar 30 '11 STL @ DET 0 0 0 Mar 28 '11 CHI @ DET 0 0 0 Mar 26 '11 TOR @ DET 0 0 0 Mar 23 '11 VAN @ DET 0 1 1 Mar 21 '11 PIT @ DET 1 1 2 Mar 19 '11 DET @ NSH 1 0 1 Mar 17 '11 DET @ CBJ 0 0 0 Mar 16 '11 WSH @ DET 0 0 0 Mar 12 '11 DET @ STL 0 1 1 Mar 11 '11 EDM @ DET 0 0 0 Mar 9 '11 LAK @ DET 0 0 0 Mar 5 '11 DET @ PHX 0 0 0 Mar 3 '11 DET @ SJS 0 0 0 Mar 2 '11 DET @ ANA 0 0 0 Feb 28 '11 DET @ LAK 1 0 1 Feb 26 '11 DET @ BUF 0 1 1 Feb 24 '11 DAL @ DET 0 0 0 Feb 22 '11 SJS @ DET 2 0 2 Feb 20 '11 DET @ MIN 0 0 0 Feb 18 '11 DET @ FLA 1 0 1 Feb 17 '11 DET @ TBL 1 2 3 Feb 13 '11 BOS @ DET 0 0 0 Feb 11 '11 DET @ BOS* 1 1 2 Feb 9 '11 NSH @ DET 0 1 1 Feb 7 '11 NYR @ DET 0 1 1 Feb 5 '11 DET @ NSH 0 0 0 Feb 4 '11 CBJ @ DET 0 0 0 Feb 2 '11 DET @ OTT 0 0 0 Dec 26 '10 DET @ MIN* 1 0 1 Dec 23 '10 DET @ STL 0 0 0 Dec 22 '10 VAN @ DET 1 1 2 Dec 19 '10 DAL @ DET 0 0 0 Dec 17 '10 DET @ CHI 0 0 0 Dec 15 '10 STL @ DET* 1 2 3 Dec 13 '10 LAK @ DET 0 0 0 Dec 11 '10 DET @ NJD* 1 0 1 Dec 10 '10 MTL @ DET 0 1 1 Dec 8 '10 NSH @ DET 0 0 0 Dec 6 '10 SJS @ DET 0 0 0 Dec 4 '10 DET @ LAK 0 0 0 Dec 3 '10 DET @ ANA 1 0 1 Nov 30 '10 DET @ SJS 1 1 2 Nov 28 '10 CBJ @ DET 1 0 1 Nov 26 '10 DET @ CBJ 0 0 0 Nov 24 '10 DET @ ATL 0 0 0 Nov 21 '10 CGY @ DET 0 0 0 Nov 19 '10 MIN @ DET 0 0 0 Nov 17 '10 STL @ DET* 2 0 2 Nov 13 '10 COL @ DET 1 0 1 Nov 11 '10 EDM @ DET* 2 0 2 Nov 8 '10 PHX @ DET 1 0 1 Nov 6 '10 DET @ VAN 1 0 1 Nov 5 '10 DET @ EDM 1 2 3 Nov 3 '10 DET @ CGY 0 1 1 Oct 30 '10 NSH @ DET 0 1 1 Oct 28 '10 PHX @ DET 0 0 0 Oct 23 '10 ANA @ DET 0 0 0 Oct 21 '10 CGY @ DET 0 0 0 Oct 16 '10 DET @ PHX 0 0 0 Oct 14 '10 DET @ DAL 0 0 0 Oct 12 '10 COL @ DET 0 0 0 Oct 9 '10 DET @ CHI 0 0 0 Oct 8 '10 ANA @ DET 1 1 2

True, he was/would be an awful GM. But I think the trade had a lot to do with money as well as return. Here's a quote from NHL.com: Obviously GMs are looking for certain pieces in return when trading anyone. But I think the scope of a trade is even further limited by a team's finances. Teams with internal salary caps are probably looking for serviceable players, picks, and green prospects to minimize costs. Jersey isn't in the greatest financial situation (apparently) so I think it's tough to say what they would want if we were at the deadline with them out of the playoff picture. Even if that is true (I don't remember hearing that but I'll take your word for it) that doesn't mean just because he knew Lamiorello he'd give Kovalchuk away. It also doesn't mean that Waddell got better offers from other teams but turned them down so he could work with Lou. All it implies is that he felt that he could work well with Lou to get a fair deal for his team.

I fixed that for you. I'm no crosby hater but he's not the best hockey player in the world.

I'll say that some considered the price high for Hossa because of Esposito. Christensen was a solid younger who was getting 3rd line minutes. Armstrong had had a good rookie season but had been consistenly regressing (points wise). The total trade was: to ATL Angelo Esposito Colby Armstrong Erik Christensen 1st Rd to PITT Marian Hossa Pascal Dupuis I personally was surprised, at the time, Hossa was moved for that price especially considering Dupuis was a one time 20 goal scorer and still a serviceable 3rd line player (although older tahn Armstrong or Christensen). That's the bigest cop out of argument. No offense, but you can do better than that. That trade was what the market would bare at the time. Or at least the best offer Waddell felt he could get. Excusing it as a relative comparison for your quoted reason is ridiculous.

I dont know if that is true. Personally, I'd like to see him treated just as any player would be treated but I wouldn't want to see a run at him with an intent to injure. I live in the Toronto area as well and the coverage this is getting is not really surprising but it is a little over the top. I think some people minsconstrue 'blind hate' for him as a hockey player and blind hate for him as a human. Im sure that there are people who hate him fully (both as a hockey player and a human) but I think most people tend to hate him as a hockey player and the personality that he shows on the ice. I think when people say he acts like he has a sense of entitlement they are commenting more on his actions on the ice or at least in the hockey world. Personally I realyl dislike his attitude when he is whining, diving, and complaining. You may argue that he takes more abuse than anyone, and that may be true, but the problem is he dishing a ton of it back then turns to the refs to complain about it. For that reason I strongly dislike his on ice personality. That doesn't mean I hate him as a person. Although, to be honest I find him boring in real life but I dont hate him. Also, I think Crosby gets singled out for his diving, whining etc more than players like Ovechkin (as was used in the thread) because it's that much more over the top. At least in my mind it is. Obviously there are the homers and some Wings fans hate him because of the 09 SC but most hockey fans dislike him because of how much worse he carries himself on the ice.

I dont mind it

Assuming the deadline is when Parise would be traded (because Jersey would potentially willing to trade him then as they are not willing to trade him now) you wouldn't be giving up 'the future'. Parise value at the deadline as a pending ufa wouldn't necessarily be as high as it would today as the Devils have a shot at the playoffs. Deadlines can be weird though. Some deadlines teams overpay significantly for players and other times not so much. I think back to the Hossa (to Pitt) and Kovalchuk deals as ones where the prices were reasonable. But I do agree, if the price was way too high then I'd prefer Holland refrain even though that means a ton of posters on this board will start the 'Holland let another one go' type threads That's a valid point. But I do think that Jersey isn't nearly the same team as they were then either. Offensively it seems like they have more (on paper) today but not having Zajac in the line up burns (for them)

Normally I would agree that I'd prefer rolling the dice on signing a player in free agency. But I think if you read what Parise has said, in that article, the Wings could provide him with each of the key components of a team he wants. He doesn't sound like he's chasing money (necessarily) so I wouldn't be opposed to trading for him to make the Wings better this season and ideally signing him beyond this year. I think that although players like Parise are looking for a lot of other forms of compensation, aside from money, if he hits the open market his price tag goes up.

yeah, realistically I dont see the Wings trading for Parise. It was interesting, though, to hear some of the comments Parise made in the article. It sounds like he'd be willing to sign with some one other than Jersey. Detroit isn't necessarily his choice, by any stretch, but it just implies there's a possibility.