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I posted this awhile back where we discussed the cap potentially growing to $70 million. To be conservative, I estimated $69.3 million.
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($8.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Paul Gaustad ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Darren Helm ($1.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($4.000m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Shane O'Brien ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($1.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $69,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,308,712; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $991,288
New acquisitions are italicized.
sorry didnt see the old post... regardless i like your roster!
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and an unrealistic one!! all i really did was the same as above... just traded ericcson and cleary as well for "picks"
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($6.700m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m) / Darren Helm ($1.800m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Zenon Konopka ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Mark Fistric ($1.000m) / Barret Jackman ($3.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Scott Clemmensen ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,425,379; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $4,874,621
could make this roster with almost 5 million left over. say the cap does go up to 70 (from 64).... leaves us about 10-11 million left over. could literally have signed semin too just like the way this roster flows better then if he were in the top 6 (which bumps filppula franzen or nyquil out)
but in reality... you think kenny could make something happen at the deadline with 10-11 mill cap space?
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since we are in the offseason :-(
make a roster for next seasons squad. classify it as realistic, semi-realistic, or fantasy. please dont flame anyone.... this is just for ghits and shiggles
realistic (but optimistic)
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($6.700m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Darren Helm ($1.800m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Barret Jackman ($3.500m) / Kyle Quincey ($2.400m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($0.800m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,258,712; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $41,288
lines could be tweaked i didn't set them (i would have put helm above abby etc.)
even with the cap staying put this roster can work.
how it all happened.
1A. re-sign helm and abby
1B. lidstrom and holmstrom retire after great careers
2. wings nab suter for 7.0 mil. this contract is probably a little inflated but in this market and with the demand he will bring about it seems pretty fair. could always have the contract have different cap hits per year... but i think 7 mill for year 1 is somewhat fair for both sides given the circumstances.
3. parise follows suit for 6.7. he too may not be worth a contract on par with pavels... but in reality he could fetch a lot more on the open market. tells him "your worth pavel like money" and also "we dont pay any forward more then we pay pav". from his perspective... he should be somewhat flattered seeing as though the wings dont throw money like that around to just anybody and that his cap hit is the same amount as one of the biggest forces in the game. i like it for both sides once again, given the circumstances.
4. let hudler, stuart, kindl all walk. (kindl waived)
5. sign jackman at 3.5 if hes willing (may be able to sugarcoat it a little bit with a cap increase)... replaces stuart, makes our team tougher, solidifies the backend.
6. re-sign quincey to 1 year, 2.4 contract. take or leave it. feel like we will re-sign him since he did cost us a 1st rounder. i understand this is a decent amount less then he made prior... but at this point he needs to prove his worth if he wants to stay here. i must say i think he is a better player then he showed in the red and white last year.
7. sign harding to a 1-2 year deal around a mill
note. i had to waive eaves to make this happen... main reason was his contract secondly his injury history. if healthy and with a cap increase he could replace emmerton on the 4th.
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maybe if your as big of a fan as you claim to be then you should have faith in the organization and management that has given its city and you 4 cups since the mid 90's... a higher total then any other franchise. to admit defeat after a flukey game 1 loss makes you sound like a whiner (especially given the success of the team in your life as a fan).
so do what you want bud, chant sign parise/suter/weber.... real classy. maybe the rest of the league is right when they call our team/fans a bunch of whiners... your sure not helping our cause.
* and ask a toronto fan if they would mind waiting every 4 years for a cup and see what their response is.
Obviously, WWEber will be boo'd.
i like the nickname
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So after the Preds go up 2-0 in the series on Friday what do the crowd at the Joe chant prior to game 3? I'd say they boo the s*** out of the Wings when they come out of the tunnel and then they need to get some chants going something along the lines of "Sign Suter", "Sign Webber", "Sign Paraise", or how about "Quency Sucks". Well I think the crowd has to send the message loud & clear so Kenny Holland knows what he has to do in the offseason in order to get this team back to 07/08 status and not the 5th or 3rd seed in the conference b/c its completely unacceptable!
your such a clown... for some reason when people cant spell names of players they're discussing it already makes me question there judgement. quincey not quency, parise not PARAISE, WEBER NOT WEBBER.... HEY YOU SPELLED SUTER RIGHT!
why not just become a f***in preds fan if your going to slobber all over weber and suters knees. or even better yet... cheer for the blackhawks, you'd fit right in on that bandwagon where they only are fans when they're winning (sounds like you).
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i heard that the wings are thinking of firing babcock before playoffs and have already begun searching LGW blogs in hopes to find their replacement
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little caesars palace would be funny
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Pavel Datsyuk has the best hands in the NHL.
Now this may not be breaking news for Red Wings fans, but it's an interesting perspective from one of his victims.
Jamie McLennan, who played goaltender for six teams over 11 seasons in the NHL, recently penned a column for the Hockey News on this topic. He had a first-hand account as to why he said Datsyuk is the league's best stick-handler. He recalled a time when he was in net against the Red Wings.
"Pavel Datsyuk was coming down the ice on his off wing and I was outside my crease in what I thought was a good position. I had read the rush and examined what his options were coming over the blueline: he basically had a 2-on-2 play with Henrik Zetterberg (also a scary player to face), but from what I could see, both my D-men were in good position to handle the play. Their gap was great, their stick positioning was perfect to take the pass away and it should have been a nothing play.
Well, obviously Datsyuk had other ideas, because as he got over the blueline, he faked to drive wide, cut hard to the top of the circle, moved laterally as fast as he was going forward, put the puck through the D-man’s stick, faked a pass to a streaking Zetterberg and, in full stride, snapped a ridiculous shot short side shelf that I was way too late to get."
McLennan later wrote that he watched the replay to see what he did wrong, and that's when he saw just how the term "Datsyukian" came to be. "Some things stick out in a goalie’s mind over his career and that goal will be ingrained in my mind for quite some time."
After Datsyuk, McLennan has Joe Thornton, the Sedin twins (tied, naturally), Martin St. Louis and Corey Perry in his top five.
Cant find the video of the goal... if any of you can get it post it!
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DETROIT -- The Detroit Red Wings have announced that Amway will be the team's presenting sponsor, the first time the franchise will have a corporate partner in this category.
It's a multi-year agreement that builds upon last year's initial partnership which featured the Amway logo being incorporated on all Red Wings practice jerseys and pucks.
"We're elated to have Amway as the first presenting sponsor in Red Wings history,'' Tom Wilson, president of Olympia Entertainment, said in press release. "The unique similarities between our two companies make this a natural alliance that will enhance all areas of our operations, including player nutrition, fan experience and our dedication to the community.''
The agreement will include substantial branding initiatives at Joe Louis Arena. Amway's Nutrilite brand was named the official vitamin and nutritional supplement of the Red Wings.
"The 50-year history and global success of Amway along with the elite status of the Red Wings organization are a considerable source of pride for Michiganders,'' Steve Lieberman, vice president and managing director for Amway North America, said in a statement. "The partnership between our two Michigan powerhouses is a natural fit and a winning match.''
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/09/red_wings_sign_multi-year_deal.html
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I don't know I think his time in Russia did him well.
completely OT....
love that picture of the production line... have the same one on my wall
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I don't know where all this "Crosby is a complete player" talk comes from. I've watched a ton of Pens games and he is NOTHING like Zetterberg, Datsyuk or any other player that is very successful at both end of the ice. He doesn't back check, he doesn't block shots and the Penguins as a team, were much better defensively after he got injured. He's a points machine like Ovechkin and is by no means a "complete player".
Back on topic, Datsyuk is better defensively than Ovechkin, no doubt and you could make the argument that defense wins championships. But Ovechkin is better offensively and I could make the argument the more goals you score, the more likely you are to win. I think the talent level between Datsyuk and Ovechkin is very close and the fact that they excel at different aspects of the game, makes it difficult to determine who is better. This past year, Datsyuk definitely looked like the more talented player. He was better at what he does than Ovechkin at what he does this past season. But overall, in the past 5 years, Ovechkin is the more talented player. Datsyuk has 3 Selke trophies and 4 Lady Byng. Ovechkin has 1 Art Ross, 2 Harts, 3 NHLPA MVP awards (Lester B Pearson and Ted Lindsay), 1 Calder, and 2 Rocket Richard trophies. That's more MVP's and scoring titles than anyone else in the league. For me, that makes it very difficult to say someone else is better.
EXACTLY
on your first paragraph....
crosby did actually have more blocked shots in his 41 games then pav or hank did last season for one... so he is blocking more shots in less games (zberg with 19 in 80, dats with 20 in 56, crosby with 23 in 41)
has a 55.6 f/o % taking 40.1% of his teams faceoffs (dats with 54.6 @ almost 24%, zberg with 52.4% with 20.6% of his teams total faceoffs)
zetterberg averages 37 seconds on the pk per game, datsyuk 39, crosby 28 seconds)
zberg was -1 last year, dats +11, crosby +20
crosby giveaways 29, zberg 60, datsyuk 38
crosby takeaways 15, zberg 54, datsyuk 71
crosby has improved his D since entering the league... though datsyuks takeaways show he is about 2x as lethal without the puck as crosby is (last year in 41 games, dats in 56)
-but other then that, crosby stacks up better in D cats then we would like to believe (though there arent many defensive stats, we have to work with what we have got)
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ironic that the common consensus on LGRW.COM would be that datsyuk is better then ovechkin... seems like the homerism is overpowering the logic.
ovechkin is 25 years old
datsyuk is 32
career points
for dats = 221 goals, 651 points in 662 games
for ovie = 301 goals 614 points in 475 games
in ovies 6 years in the league he has scored more then 50 goals 4 times, 1 of the 4 being a 65 goal season. in datsyuks 9 years with detroit, the most goals he has put up in a season was 32(08) which ties ovechkins lowest goal total since entering the league (2010). datsyuks 2nd most goals in a season is 31(07)... so if you add dats goal totals from 07 and 08 ovechkin still outscored him with just his 07 goal total. (32+31= 63, vs 65)some of you may say thats not fair, because dastyuk isn't a goal scorer... which is fine because we can also look at assists. datsyuks top season for assists was 66 in 07... ovechkin had 59 in 2010, just 7 less. dont see datsyuk doubling ovechkin in assists like ovechkin does datsyuk in goals most years.
datsyuk has never had a 100 point season (97 twice) at age 32 whereas ovechkin has 4 at age 25
ovechkin is 5th all time for regular season goals per game above bure and gretzky, behind lemieux and bossy.... good company.
4th on all time list of playoff points per games (ahead of messier and orr)
2nd in playoff goals per game behind super mario
7th all time in regular season points per game
could probably do this all day.... dont want to because pav is like my favorite player but its really not even that close on paper and thats just me being objective because i really dont like ovechkin all that much. as a red wing fan and a hockey fan its good to be objective about things becuase most people arent. (hence 95% of people on LGRW saying dats > ovie). i just dont think a poll of hfboards or nhl would show people unanimously agreeing that datsyuk is better then ovie.
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callahan and/or dubinski will both probably be resigned.... but either would be nice to add as far fetched as it may be
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http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/red_wings_sign_defensemen_garn.html
DETROIT -- The Detroit Red Wings have signed a pair of defensemen, agreeing to one-year deals with unrestricted free-agent Garnet Exelby and their own restricted free agent, Logan Pyett.
Both are slated to play for the Grand Rapids Griffins next season.
Exelby, who turns 30 on Aug. 16, is a good-sized, scrappy defender (6-foot-1, 215 pounds) with 408 games of NHL experience with Atlanta and Toronto. He spent all of last season with the Rockford IceHogs (AHL), picking up three goals, 10 assists and 128 penalty minutes in 77 games.
He played for the Maple Leafs in 2009-10, picking up a goal, three assists and 73 penalty minutes in 51 games.
The 23-year-old Pyett (5-10, 200) has spent the past three seasons with Grand Rapids, where he's collected 21 goals, 45 assists and a minus-2 rating in 215 games.
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http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/red_wings_sign_defensemen_garn.html
doesnt say anything about conks. got logan pyett and exelby per mlive.... might not be final just yet
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yeah i do think they did get older, but that may be just what they were going for. hossa is the only returning blackhawk above 30.... (sharp is 29)
odonnel (39)
brunette (37)
mayers (36)
montador (31)
carcillo(26)
aside from mayers, brunette and hossa..... all of chicagos forwards are born in the 80's
aside from odonnel and montador (and nick leddy... fricken 91 birthdate)..... all of chicagos dmen are born in the 80s
I might be a bit biased when it comes to them, but I'm not that impressed by the Hawks off season.
Bunch of 1 year replacement contracts to generally mediocre players. Grit doesn't replace all the scoring they lost (assuming they don't re-sign Frolik and Stalberg).
Crawford had a good year, but IMO is still a question mark. Many, many goalies struggle their second season. And they don't exactly have a reliable backup.
I think they'll be right around where they were last season - right on the cusp of the playoffs and a 1st round exit at best.
A single long-term injury to one of their CORE guys could be devastating for them.
I read a quote a few days ago saying that some of the Hawks players were pretty upset about a lot of the off-season moves. Not sure of the exact quote or context or who said it, though, so take with a grain of salt.
"They traded away Brian Campbell, Troy Brouwer and Tomas Kopecky, but still have three restricted free agent deals to be resolved with Michael Frolik, Chris Campoli and Viktor Stalberg – all of whom Bowman expects to sign with roughly $7 million left under the League's $64.3 million salary cap."
from OP article
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http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=568277
http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=568016
odonnel, mayers, carcillo.... hell, even montador
still have bickell, bolland, scott as returning grit
very tough team being put together.... not going to be easy to play against. we may beat them.... but i would expect them to physically take it to us. thoughts?
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i dont know if anyone has already mentioned this in the 45 previous pages!!!!!
but.....
NYR has some type 2 RFA's that I know i would like to see not get re-signed but its probably highly unlikely that they dont. Ryan Callahan and Brandon Dubinkski would be AWESOME in our top 6. HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but they are both still not signed after the signing of Brad Richards. Pretty sure NYR needs to sign about 4 players other then DUBI and Callahan.
fingers crossed that they sign 1 of the 2 to a NYR contract (like gomez or drury) and are unable to retain both.... NO SHAME IN WISHING
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with holland, i wouldnt be suprised if trenton native andy greene gets an offer (if the picking continues to get slimmer)
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yeah i guess its more fantasy then reality thinking we could get pitkanen and wis.... especially because neither of them really specialize on the pk or in their own end. both are ideal for pp but with wis being the right handed shot it makes him that much more appealing. he hits, can fight and man a pp unit. pitkanen is very smooth with the puck, great coming out of his own zone.... has very impressive vision and is also very offensively gifted. my thing with pitkanen is his turnover to takeaway ratio is almost even whereas wisniewski gives the puck over a lot more then hes taking it away. we had ericcson and raffi this year leading the way in giveaways and it seems like signing wisniewski wont really help us in that department. signing one of them makes sense but both doesnt i understand.... just was merely number crunching showing it could be possible though not probable.
i updated... made it more realistic.... we still "traded hudler + picks for bogosian + picks
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jussi Jokinen ($3.500m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Zach Bogosian ($3.375m)
/ Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Mike Smith ($2.250m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,917,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,382,956
jokinen could demand more then 3.5.... we could give it to him. he could be good for 50-60 points as he has been the last 2 years, 20-30 goals. the only thing with this setup to worry about is whether kindl / smith can handle a regular spot
smith probably wouldnt sign here to be howies backup, but if he did sign he would be capable of manning a solid chunk of games keeping howard well rested and well motivated knowing the guy behind him would love his spot.
still have plenty of cap space for potential tweaking or to add depth / whatever you want to spend it on
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jussi Jokinen ($3.750m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($1.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
/ Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Joni Pitkanen ($3.750m)
Zach Bogosian ($3.50m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Mathieu Garon ($1.200m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,042,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,257,956
traded huds for bagosian (could have been picks involved)
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This may be a really dumb thread.... but the results are what intrigue me.
Growing up, I used to play a videogame " Megaman Soccer ".... (super nintendo)
you played as megaman against his "foes" and when you beat your opponent in playoff mode a member of his team joined yours
Lets say.... the NHL was like Megaman Soccer and if/when we beat phoenix we were allowed to add just one of their players.... which player do we add and why?
things to keep in mind....
What does this player add to the Red Wings team?
What player is going to be at the affect of this addition to the wings? if you add "blank" we have to sit "blank"
Where does he fit into the lineup?
What are the new red wing lines?
OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON.... PLEASE DO!
assume there is no salary cap
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anaheims main question mark is goaltending. emery gives them a better situation then with ellis... but boy do they miss hiller who i think is a very underrated tender. nashville has no goaltending question, rinne is a stud and could win this series on his own
with that said, the big story in this series will be the sutter weber pair trying to shut down the big line for the ducks which is no easy task. perry is as hot as anyone in the league right now, and has the ability make you pay from just about anywhere in your zone. he's similar to dats in his ability to make something out of nothing and with ryan and a healthy getzlaf this line is big, strong and extremely talented. you would also think that mike fisher will see some time against those boys or if not the selanne line which may really work to the preds advantage.
it doesnt get too much better for nashville either since selanne seems like he's growing younger (nick lidstrom syndrome) along with koivu and blake anaheim has a far superior top 6 to nashville and the more time away from weber and sutter the better for anaheims sake. i think the ducks will gladly go with the selanne line against the klein blum pairing or the obrien franson. with home ice, they also can try to throw marchant against fisher whenever they can to ensure that either the selanne or getz line will not be against either fisher or the sutter/weber pair.
this series will be a chess match (as all are) but even to a greater extent then others IMO. i think anaheim gets good enough goaltending and matchups they need to get through nashville.... anaheims 1st line can physically dominant, but also keep in mind anaheim has a lot of other big boys that will make this one grueling series.
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http://www.fantasyhockey911.com/
two solid fantasy sites... not sure if they do the weekly matchups thing though but on espn fantasy they have it somewhere on there where they show games matchups per week (generally in article form though, not for individual players but more for teams)
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyhockey .... used to do that but arent on top of it anymore. used to have full fantasy analysis of players but generally dont keep up with it anymore.
hope these help!
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highly doubt nick takes a hometown discount...
nicks idea of a discount will be 6.0 per season flat from his 6.2. nothing against the guy, just saying he hasn't given us any reason in the past to believe he is willing to sacrifice out of his own pocket for the better of the team (yzerman did this i recall). you'd think after making 6+ per season your whole career for the same team making 2-3 your last year wouldn't hurt your bank account too bad but hey, you never know.