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Actually Rich's statement was true. Franzen missed far too many games when not injured. I also don't want to downplay how serious mental issues can be, but as a hockey players who's getting paid millions to play, you have to push through whatever you're going through and play.

Not my best, but didn't have time to do it better.

He hasn't been anymore personal than you have. You've said things that are hypocritical and have double standards when it comes to Fil when compared to other players. If you dish it out, be prepared to take it back and stop with the drama.

His play was no where near atrocious. Even when he's not getting points he was still consistently one of the best defensive forwards on the ice. His point total was bad, no one will deny that, but calling his play atrocious is ridiculous. That said, he would not have performed well here this season. He's playing with higher talent players, playing on the power play, and getting more minutes than he did here. He had s***ty linemates here, was getting shoved down to the 3rd line, and always being juggled on different lines with different players. No one is going to play well under those situations. Just look at the team this year, we have the same exact problem with his replacement. I honestly think Weiss would have a hell of a lot better season on another team. Our 2nd and 3rd lines have just been bad this year.

They are sucking. Bottom line, they're playing terrible right now. You can argue all you want, but all that does is convince me that you haven't actually been watching the games. We were all healthy outside of Helm, and just Helm doesn't solve the problems that we have. We have too many old players, we have too many floaters. Players need to be held accountable or I don't see any of it changing. We need to bring up the young talent. Get Nyquist up here, bench players like Cleary, Sammy, and Franzen when they float or don't contribute. Their play is nothing short of pathetic.

Actually I posted this one first. How is this trolling? You said something bashing Hudler and I simply stated facts. Your post was more trollish than mine. Edit: Hudler is 17th in the league in points. I don't care what kind of team he's on. He's still playing against top lines in the league and doing really well, and this is coming from someone who hated Hudler when he was here.

Yet he's got 6 times more points than Cleary... Since he's on a non-contender team shouldn't he still have crap for points?

Just gonna throw fuel on the fire... Fil has as many goals and assists just tonight as Weiss does all season

He's got over 4 million cap hit and is on par for under 25 points. That's playing pretty bad.

I can't either specifically but I don't think he took that many, did he? He made a HUGE SO goal two years ago to increase our home winning streak to like 20 games.

These first 11 games are just as important as any other 11 games. Telling us to wait and see what Weiss does is incredibly bad for the team. We in all seriousness could be out of the playoffs solely because of the first 11 games. Is it going to happen this year? Unlikely, but it could, and a lot of the blame would lie on Weiss. He needs to step up. I don't care how long he's been here. He needs to step up.

No, I think you forgot how often Fil gave up... He was often one of the few Wings to show up almost every night.

He didn't say anything that wasn't true. Weiss has looked overall pretty bad this season. He has been slow, he has looked terrified. You denying all of that then insulting him because he said it is much worse than anything he said in his post.

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_profiler.php?players=541&sent=go&games=2010-2011%3AE http://hockey.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_profiler.php?players=542&sent=go&games=2011-2012%3AR http://hockey.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_profiler.php?players=542&sent=go&games=2008-2009%3AR

That's not at all what he's saying. Are you really arguing the point that a players point production ISN'T affected by his linemates? This thread of full of people who didn't like Fil, and didn't want him here. He's playing much better in Tampa, and Z and D is right in saying it's likely mainly due to his linemates. Weiss has been bad here this year, he's been playing with essentially the same linemates Fil was. Oh, and Nyquist is still a rookie, are you saying that he's as good as playing with Dats or Z on the powerplay? Damn this thread is full of ignorant comments. Hudler and Franzen had some of their best seasons when playing on a line with Fil... Don't pull that crap.

What I don't understand is the season he got 60 points he played with good players the majority of the year. During the other seasons his linemates were... Cleary? Franzen? Samuelsson? Hudler? Leino? You guys have always judged Fil on his production when on a line with either s***ty, or lazy players, but never gave him credit when he performed up to expectations playing with players he SHOULD have been paired with. Blame Fil all you want, this team is currently lined with older, lazy, or just plain mediocre players. This offseason arguably made it worse with the resigning of Cleary and putting our 2 huge young prospects either in the minors or on the bench. I'd put money (and have actually, drafted Fil on my fantasy team) that Fil will hit 60+ points this season. He's got the talent, and now the linemates to do it. In Kenny you all trust, how many times does he have to make mistakes for you to realize that he's taking the team in a bad direction?

Does anyone know of any streams for the game?

The Bollig video was a joke. He tweeted something like "If you think Kane is good, check out my video" or something along those lines while linking to his video.

You guys are going on about how loyal he is that he's staying here for a discount. If he were really loyal he'd want the best team on the ice, and knowing that he's taking a spot from a younger player who needs the experience is just being selfish, not "loyal". He shouldn't have been resigned, he doesn't fill any holes that we have on the team, and essentially just creates bigger ones.

What?? So paying legit second line centers 5.5 million a year is an inordinate amount of money? If the salary cap didn't drop this year I can pretty much guarantee Fil would have been resigned here for that.

They won't trade Flip. He's one of the hardest working players on the team. He's also our 3rd best forward. Trading him, especially for the cap hit he is would be a bad idea. We need more offense, and I doubt we'll get more back from a trade then what we'll lose.

Does anyone know of any streams anymore? I can't figure out which directv package I need for FSN, thought I had a package that had it, but apparently not. Need to be able to watch the game tonight!

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/tmr/comments/red_wings_overnight_report_grumpily_debunking_the_filppula-yandle_rumor/