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god the doom n gloom posters will be out in force

I promise you that it's not most people lol once you spend some time here you'll see that the crazies come and go and that most people on this forum who stick around have a lot of hockey sense. Problem with Hudler is he going to be overpaid this year and we can't have overpaid players on this team. Would love to have him stay, but we all know money is on his agenda. And it's just dumb pursuing Weber this year giving up 4 first rounders, when he will be UFA next year and we won't have t give up any. Forgot you know how things will pan out 15 years down the road. I would give up 3 first rounders for another Lidstrom...but one doesn't exist...We've seen about 3 Lidstrom caliber players over about the last 100 years....Weber would take 4 first rounders and is currently one of the best defenseman, but a legendary D-man? NO

I understood perfectly. He remarked about Brad going public about it and it has nothing to do with that. My point was that even if Brad hadn't gone public, Californian teams still would have known through the grapevine, and exactly like you said they therefore have no reason to give much for him other than keeping LA and ANy outta the mix. It's about his desire to be in Cali, not making that desire public. If he hadnt made it public other teams would vie for his rights too but like i said that would likely net us only a low pick or nothing in the end anyway. So Holland kept it classy by sending him straight to SJ....he knew he could only get a 7th, whether Brad went public or not is beside the point.

Forgive me if i don't go through all the game logs lol I thought he started producing when he moved off the 3rd line and started playing with Datsyuk and Zetterberg....but hey that's just me

No most of the people here are incredibly knowledgeable.....they just end up spending all their time replying to the few crazies who wanna blow the team up and submit an overpriced offer sheet to an overpriced defenseman

Jiri Hudler Instead of listening to you parrot things from the bleacher report I'll just post the actual article http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1155573-jiri-hudler-true-grit-one-of-the-few-red-wings-doing-the-dirty-work He was rewarded with ice-time after he started producing. He already proved he's a top 6 caliber forward. He's going to FA cause he wants to make bankkkkkk

Good god that wasn't the point at all. I dont care what round any of those players were taken in, the point is they are not dime a dozen players. Sir you are operating in hockey fantasy land. I'm sorry but this is going nowhere fast with you. Good luck to you on this forum...your gonna need it.

Yeah he just wants everyone to like him and to feel accepted........and that's why he tried holding us hostage for more money and then ditched us for the KHL lol

UH OH somebody never watched miracle lol players don't win cups dude, teams do.....dime a dozen eh? Helms? Kronwalls? Holmstroms? Filppulas? Fischers? Drapers? Howards? Franzens? (the list goes on and on and on) Why didn't you tell anyone we can just get one of those guys anywhere??? Somebody go tell Holland we've been doing it wrong the whole time lol. I don't think you understood my point about business assets though.....I really don't wanna explain the fundamentals of business, so long story short: you don't pay a lot for a little. If you were a GM and you were to sign Weber for 8.5 million AND give up 3 first round picks, you would probably be fired on the spot....and your talking about four picks sir! Four!

....Come on guy, do I really need to tell you to go back and read the comment again?We all know what he was saying.... A fair analogy would have been Souray/Stuart/Boyle/Carkner. By your logic we should be calling Smith a Konstantinov/Lidstrom/Chelios combo cause he can hit, has offensive sense, and a little mean streak....Even though we all know Smith is not comparable to either of those 3 players or the skills they possessed. "a draft pick is an asset, not a person, average apple does not mean average player...as soon as you think of it that way you've missed the point." ...Did you not read before responding? In one ear and out the other? lol

Stuart going public with his desire to be in California did not hurt us whatsoever. Trading rights for picks almost always involves the pick being conditional...if the player signs with the other team you get the draft pick, or the pick becomes a higher draft pick. If he doesn't sign you either don't get the draft pick you traded for or it becomes a lower pick. So essentially if we had say traded Stuart's rights to Toronto for a fourth round conditional....he wouldn't have signed there (wants to be in Cali) and we would have either lost the fourth rounder and got nothing, or the fourth would have become something like a 7th anyway....Holland just skipped all that BS, got his 7th, and did Stewie a solid in the process. Perhaps if SJ didn't know they were Stewies #1 choice we could have gotten more out of them....but they knew regardless of whether Stewie went public or not....He has friends in their organization/team and his family still lives in the area....they knew the situation.

Even comparing Weber to Lidstrom (let alone saying he is a Lidstrom/Lidstrom plus) should deeply offend you as not only a wings fan, but hockey fan in general. That's like saying Getzlaf is the next Gordie Howe. It's so stupid it's offensive. For crying out loud, the guy plays one all-star game with Lidstrom as his partner and all of the sudden people wanna throw the bank at him....Doughty has more sense and skill then Weber does and nobodies talkin about tradin the farm for him....and Doughty can't hold a flame to Lidstrom either....the only players that should ever be in the same conversation as Nick are Orr and Bourque, That's it.

Q is the replacement for Stu.....Q is not as good in his own end as Stu, but he's not bad either. Plus he's a bit more mobile, has an offensive touch to his game, is younger than the aging Stuart, and is cheaper. I'll take him as the new Stewie any day of the week. And that 3-way trade we did to get him was absolutely marvelous....still gets me hard like a diamond in an ice storm. Still have to replace Lidstrom. July 1st is coming.

oldie but goodie lol Maybe the mayan calendar was correct. No Lids, No Stewie, and keeping Hudler? But really we shouldn't panic, Huds will test FA where he knows he can get 5 mill from a poop team.

At that time Lang was the leading scorer in the NHL LOL. F-man was young then, a projected low quality 2nd line guy, and we knew he had chronic health issues. Giving up him, a first, and a fourth is more than reasonable for a more than point per game player. 3 firsts for Lang....now that would have been unreasonable. Weber is better than Suter in the O zone and Suter is better than Weber in the D zone....they both benefit

No, having a great TEAM equaled 4 for us. Are we talking about a different team? We did fantastic last year (most consecutive home wins and all that jazz) just had an early playoff exit....it happens man....yes even to the best of us. And guess what? Yeah we don't have a Lidstrom anymore....but no other team has one either!!! lol Suter and Parise would be HUGEEEE for this already great team.

First, do not compare Weber to Lidstrom, Weber is not and never will be a Lidstrom. Second, Weber is a great D-man but I'm far from convinced he is the best in the world. Suter actually plays better D than Weber does....and his defense partner is Suter...if Lebda's defense partner was Suter he would look pretty good too lol. Don't get me wrong Weber is great, but he's benefited a lot from having one of the most underrated D-men next to him for his whole career. He's not the best in the world. Third, we gave up those picks in sensible transactions. We never threw 8.5 mill and 3 first rounders at anyone. Smart transactions is one of the reasons we have been able to dominate over the last 2 decades. Not just drafting.

Now? don't turn into a maple leaf fan on me lol patience and smart decisions wins cups. Would you rather win the cup next year, or 3 times over the next 10 years? a draft pick is an asset, not a person, average apple does not mean average player...as soon as you think of it that way you've missed the point. Edit: Forgot to reiterate one of my previous points: Having a Norris caliber D-man on your roster does not equal a championship

thought so, he sucks and wings dont suck, trade value is all he is

Say you have 3 average apples, each worth 25 cents....Then you see a really kick ass tasty apple valued at 50 cents (whoa that's double the value of just one of my average apples!!! it must be a helluva good apple!!!) So you trade your three average apples for that 1 awesome apple that you just had to have....You now have a great apple but you paid 75 cents for something that is worth 50 cents....That's a bad business decision and Holland doesn't make bad business decisions. Having a Norris caliber D-man on your roster does not equal a championship Offer sheets are dooshy.... We are classy Weber will be UFA after next season, so why waste picks? Also, they will match any offer....and if they didn't the contract would be inflated (another bad thing for business)

So you WANT to sign a defenseman to an EXPENSIVE contract AND give up 3 extremely valuable assets in the process? In the business world we call that... stupid lol. I collect ceramic figurines of unicorns.

At least we know for a fact your delusional now lol Look guy, no one cares what you did in college or where you work. You don't have financial knowledge of the inner-workings of the NHL. Even if you did work for the business end of a team that doesn't mean you know diddly squat about the Jets situation. I'm the King of Siam....does that mean I could tell you what it's like to be the king of England? No.

Thanks for the thread/updates would have loved to have Kelly on this team, knew the Bruins wouldn't let him hit UFA though

sorry, was drinking last night. i come here too much. Why is Kane being discussed anyway? He's not leaving Winnipeg.....this whole topic is kinda pointless, we might as well discuss getting Stamkos....at least he's better

s*** forgot we were making unfair evaluations. i always f*** up.