kipwinger

What a hero. I bet your newborn will be really proud when he/she hears this story one day.

Then I'd suggest you butt out next time. We're only talking right now because you engaged me. I wasn't beating down your door for to have this discussion.

I'm not mad at all. I just don't understand why people think they can say d*ckheaded s*** online and in response everyone else should "relax" and not treat them like a d*ckhead. I say d*ckheaded s*** all the time on here, specifically to two or three people in particular. I don't expect them to "relax" and take it easy when I do. I expect them to treat me like an assh*le. They do. No big deal. I'm all for people being trolls, but the whole point of trolling is to get a rise out of people, so you can't throw your hands up and whine when you do exactly what you intended to do.

If that's the case you're both p*ssies. Him for being able to say quasi-inflamatory s*** but not willing to take some in return and you for parachuting in and telling me to "relax" because I'm obviously playing too rough with the other kids. Look, I just made a funny.

I'm not perfect either, which is why I don't say things like "get rid of the fatties by shaming them". But to each their own I guess. I'm just making a point that the people who so vociferously defend their right to be gigantic dicks to other people probably don't open themselves up to the same kind of scrutiny.

I assume, based on how everyone talks about here, that 90% of LGW can too. Plus we all have movie star good looks.

I mean sure, who has a six pack? But you've probably got some big shoulders on ya right? As often as you bench I'm sure your pecs are pretty huge? Arms? Curls for the girls amirite? I guess what I'm saying is that I'm sure you're super manly given how easy it is for you to say things like "shame the fatties". So show us those guns man? Prove you're not some flaccid little pud so we can definitely not body shame you.

https://thehockeywriters.com/7-biggest-nhl-players/ Fun article about "fat" NHLers. You'll notice all these guys are total puds. Why don't you post a body pic? I'd love to see how ripped up you are.

There was a whole big bro/little bro dynamic between those two. Helm dressed as Bert for the Red Wings annual Halloween party if I recall correctly. So not surprised that Helm immortalized it on his body in ink. Athletes, after all, are pretty dumb.

Not like this smokeshow. Bernier, number one in the net, and number one on our top ten lists, amirite? Just out of curiousity, which other players do you guys think are hot enough to be really good? Edit: Bernier's tattoos look like every Ed Hardy tshirt smashed into one. These are the worst sports tats I've seen in years.

Don't know the answer to either of those questions. In general it's probably WAY too early to know what kind of draft class 2021 will be considering there's always so much movement within the season. Guys fall, or rise, considerably and change the outlook at the top of the draft every year. I think a couple of years ago Jesperi Kotkaniemi was ranked 28th or something going into his draft year and was picked 3rd overall when it was said and done. As far as the lotto goes, I think it will largely be a standard format but with an expanded playoff pool there may be a few tweaks. Bubble teams will want to make the playoffs because A) they'll need the revenue with a truncated season and B) they've already spent assets at the deadline gearing up for a playoff push. With that said, the league isn't going to give some teams a shot at the Cup AND a draft lottery spot. So I think they'll expand the playoffs to include play-in games for a few bubble teams. The losers of the play-ins will be put in lottery so the odds will stay the same and the winners will get the regular pick based on how they do in the playoffs.

He'd definitely be one of the top line wingers, but I'm just not sure what our centers will look like by then. I genuinely don't think the Wings are content to go forward with Larkin, Veleno, Rasmussen as their centers of the future. If they are then we're in real trouble. If I'm right then they'd have to draft a center in the next year or so and I presume that's who Lafreniere would slot in with after a few years time.

Neither. For the the first season he'd probably be on a line with some veteran like Filppula or something. Veleno ain't making the Wings out of camp, and Lafreniere would get eaten alive against top line competition as a rookie (regardless of how good he is). Probably ends up on a 2nd line with Filppula and Fabbri or something awful like that.

Then keep my name out yo mouth, b*tch.

I'm not undervaluing Lafreniere at all. I think he'll be a very high scoring winger. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to be a 80-90 point winger even, if he hits his ceiling. But as I've said many times, I'd rather have an 80 point center than a 90 point winger. Their impact on the game is greater. My stance on this draft has NEVER been anti-Lafreniere. I don't care about him. It's entirely based on our need for a top center combined with the availability of three guys after Lafreniere who all have 1C projections. Of those three I think Rossi is the best, and that's who I'd take, but Byfield and Stutzle are not far behind. I think we have championship caliber wingers already. If Mantha's dumb ass would stop fighting he'd be a 30 goal, 75 point winger. Zadina probably pots 25 goals and 60ish points. Bert will chip in 18 goals, 45 points. One of Veleno or Ras will be an impact winger. Probably Berggren and Mastrosimone too. Fabbri has been a very pleasant surprise, I'd expect 18 goals, 55ish points from him too going forward. But I don't think there's a chance in hell we win anything with Dylan Larkin as our 1C. He's not offensively gifted enough to come up with big goals when you need it, and we REALLY struggle by not have better offensive centers on the powerplay. So we need an offensive 1C, which lets Dylan be a stud 2C matchup guy, and then one of Veleno or Ras at 3C. That's REAL center depth of the sort that could cause serious problems for potential playoff opponents. To be clear, I hate you because you're a dim-witted, passive aggressive, whiner. As evidenced by this post. But do you really want to start this up again?

Lol. Man you should really take it easy. This ^^^^^^^^ is unhealthy. Just let it go.

I "have a problem with you" because you're a simple minded pud. I come here to talk to people about hockey, and everything you say on the subject is boring or contrived. Which is fine, but if I were as intellectually lazy as you are I wouldn't write 5 paragraph long pity posts when other people made fun of me about it. I'd probably just say, "Yeah, Hughes probably wasn't as good as I thought he was", and move on. You, on the other hand, do this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. Quit being a b*tch and just take your ribbing. And when I'm inevitably wrong about something you can give it back. That's kinda the nature of sports fandom.

Thanks for your permission douchebag. The fact that you pretend you're not heavily influenced by "HYPE!" is laughable. You've been around a while, so I have I. Every year you're balls deep on whomever the concensus top guy is. Then, as it inevitably becomes clear they're not as good as you think, you start equivocating. You're the Darren Dreger of LGW. "Durrr...I want Lafreniere" in one thread and then "Durrr...I'd really be happy with any of the top guys" in another. Both can be true, but it's basically as brainless a position as you can have. "Durrr...I don't care who we get, I just like drafting guys...durrr...HYPE!" Finally, you're really reaching if you think I wanted Kakko over Hughes. I said multiple times that given (in my opinion) Hughes was not noticeably better than Dach, Zegras, or Cozens, if I had the first overall pick I'd trade back and take one of them plus the assets.

Not even close. I'd take two, maybe even three players before Lafreniere. So we're very much not thinking the same way here. I don't have some wild crush on Rossi, after careful consideration I think he's the biggest difference maker in the top part of the draft. But I'd also take Byfield and maybe Stutzle over Lafrieniere. Simply put, centers have more impact on the game than wingers. Especially centers who can do other things well in addition to scoring. Lafreniere may get you a big goal one day, which is true for all the other top guys as well, but he'll never kill a big penalty, win a defensive zone draw late in a game to protect a lead, or bear down the backcheck and break up an odd man rush. That's just not his game. And when you get to the elite level those are the things that separate the winners. THAT'S why I'd rather have Rossi or Byfield or Stutzle. Same reason as I'd rather have Draisaitl or Barkov over McDavid or Eichel. Same reason I'd rather have Seth Jones than Erik Karlsson. Scoring is great, but everyone at the top of the draft can score. What else can you do and how well can you do it?

I've made all the points over and over. I think he'll go #1 as well, in fact I hope he does because I don't think we'll be picking there. My point has only ever been that he won't be the best player to come out of this draft. There's so many reasons to think otherwise.

It's odd because Red Wings fans should be intimately familiar with the whole point I'm making. Why were Datsyuk and Zetterberg better than Crosby and Malkin in 2008 despite not outscoring either of them? Because Zetterberg and Datsyuk could do stuff like this, and Crosby and Malkin couldn't: Or, why was Steve Yzerman a better player in the mid-1990s than in the 1980s despite scoring less?

I've also routinely explained WHY I think Rossi will be better than Lafreniere, and as of yet nobody has been able/willing to refute anything I say. Which is why I tend to put very little stock in "Lafreniere is the next Matthews" talk. BTW, I did the same thing with Jack Hughes last year and literally EVERYTHING I said would hold him back in the NHL is coming true. It wasn't that hard to see, you just had to be willing to consider that maybe he wasn't really "playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers". If you start with the premise "Player X is a cut above" then it's impossible to arrive at any other conclusion.

I've said as much many times. No argument there. That sure COULD be true. But lots of other outcomes exist too... But when I say Rossi will be better than Lafreniere you'd think I f*cked someone's mom.

Isn't a big part of sport fandom the ability to talk MAD s*** about very trivial things? The knife cuts both ways. If he's sensational next year I'd imagine I'd catch a lot of sh*t for it wouldn't I? All part of the game man. Unless you're a whiny little p*ssy who can't stand when people call you out on things.

Jack Hughes gets flack because people in the media hyped him to the moon, just like some are doing with Lafreniere, now and fans like @Dabura jumped all over it acting as if this guy was some superstar. So when he plays pretty pedestrian everyone should rightly get called out for it. Nobody thinks Jack Hughes is bad, but a whole lot of people thought he was sooooooooo good. Hint: He isn't. I'll be the first one calling out @krsmith17 when Lafreniere stumbles as well. He's thrown that "generational" word around enough that if the kid isn't (hint: he's not) then he'd better expect some blowback. Compared him to Auston Matthews on a few different occasions. Matthews dropped 40 goals on the league as a rookie. If Lafreniere isn't in that ballpark then someone has quite a lot of crow to eat.