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  1. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    I guess it's that time of year again, when I have to take time out of my day to remind everyone that the "League is trying to screw the Red Wings" narrative is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stupid. Here's a couple big reasons why: The Red Wings are one of the most popular teams in the NHL, a key source of league marketing, and one of the teams that helps keep hockey alive and thriving in non-traditional markets. Ever notice how there are more Wings fans that Coyotes fans in attendance when we play in Phoenix? Me too. So does the league, and they REALLY like that. Notice how two highly successful documentaries came out (using league copyrighted footage) in the last few years which focus heavily on the Wings? Me too. That's not an accident. Ever notice how the Red Wings feature into every promotional package the NHL puts together or how they're involved in about 10,000 "Wednesday Night Rivalry" games despite being horrible? Me too. It's because they're one of the strongest markets in the U.S.. The NHL absolutely DOES NOT want them to be bad. Let's just say I was a complete dumbsh*t and I actually believed that there was a conspiracy to screw the Red Wings, I still shouldn't worry about it. Why? Because the Wings are the most successful team of the last 30 years, and one of the most successful teams in the history of the league. If there's a conspiracy, it's the LEAST successful conspiracy in history. It would be such an utter failure, conducted by the least capable conspirators, that it would be nothing to worry about. At all. It would be suuuuuuuuch a massive failure that the cabal of people organizing this fiasco would have fired Gary Bettman (or whomever) and found newer, more successful, conspirators. And yet, they haven't. Why? Because conspiracies are stupid, and so is anyone who believes in them. Finally, "the league" that everyone refers to is just the NHL owners, the commissioner, and the general managers. They make and agree upon all the rules. Are we to believe that people like the Ilitches, Holland, Yzerman, Nill, Rutherford, etc. etc. etc. are all conspiring to screw themselves or a team they have deep ties to? Obviously not. I realize for some of you this "conspiracy" is just a fun thing to play at. I genuinely hope that's true for every one of you. But there are at least a few idiots who genuinely think we're getting "screwed" by the league. And you people are dumb as f*ck.
  2. kipwinger

    Larkin vs Zetterberg

    He didn't start on the 3rd line. Ended there because, as I mentioned, he wasn't good when surrounded by better players. But for what it's worth, Ryan Nugent Hopkins is their 3rd line center, so even that line isn't lacking of talent.
  3. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    How many people do you know who are done growing at 18 years old? But even if he doesn't grow another millimeter, you know who else was 5'9 when he was drafted?
  4. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    You’re trying pretty hard to make the case that Rossi has more limited offensive upside than it appears, while making the opposite case for Lundell when the reality is that based on everything we know up to this point the opposite is true. Whether Rossi becomes a Star remains to be seen, but comparing him to O’Reilly is absurd. OReilly scores 60ish points in 60ish games his draft year. Rossi dropped 120 pts in 56 games. Rossi is routinely praised for his offensive game, especially his passing, stickhandling, and power play effectiveness. O’Reilly has never been a top point producer at any level. These guys are worlds apart offensively. Also, I don’t recall anyone holding Lafrenieres age against him. Nor do I recall you, specifically, questioning Jack Hughes offense because he played on a good team. You think playing with Turcotte, Zegras, Boldy, York, Knight (all 1st rounders a year ago) might have padded his stats a bit? Yet you seem inclined to do so with Rossi now for some reason. Perhaps the 67s are really good because they have one of the top 2 or 3 best players in the CHL on their team? You don’t have to prefer the guy, but it seems odd to me that you’re so intent on shoehorning him into this “limited offense but stud two-way” narrative when that doesn’t seem to be the case here, and you’ve shied away from similarly applicable comparisons in the past.
  5. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    Wow, you took my posts waaaaay personally. It’s okay, just breathe. You’re allowed to prefer any player you like big guy.
  6. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    edit: duplicate post.
  7. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    If I were going to take a winger, and that's a huge IF, it would be Holtz and not Raymond anyway. He's much more physically developed and has the high end goal scoring you want out of the wing position. A righty with a cannon of a shot would look good on our powerplay half wall a la Ovechkin or Stamkos or Laine. Raymond is showy, which is cool on youtube and all but I kinda don't care about dekes and s***.
  8. kipwinger

    Larkin vs Zetterberg

    AA was already demoted to Edmonton's 3rd line before the break. He had one goal in 10 games with all the firepower around him that a guy could ever want. But again, he's abysmal in every other aspect of the game so coaches don't trust him out there in top six roles against better competition. Especially defensive minded coaches like Tippett. AA scored 30 in Detroit because we suck and so he was gifted a bunch of minutes we wouldn't get on a deeper team. He may or may not hit 30 again but that's kinda irrelevant. A sub 50% possession player with no heart isn't going to be a difference maker even if he scores 40 goals because he'll always be giving up more than that. In short, he blows.
  9. kipwinger

    Larkin vs Zetterberg

    AA was already demoted to Edmonton's 3rd line before the break. He had one goal in 10 games with all the firepower around him that a guy could ever want. But again, he's abysmal in every other aspect of the game so coaches don't trust him out there in top six roles against better competition. Especially defensive minded coaches like Tippett. AA scored 30 in Detroit because we suck and so he was gifted a bunch of minutes we wouldn't get on a deeper team. He may or may not hit 30 again but that's kinda irrelevant. A sub 50% possession player with no heart isn't going to be a difference maker even if he scores 40 goals because he'll always be giving up more than that. In short, he blows.
  10. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    Honestly, the thing I like about Rossi the most though is how dedicated he seems to be. Everybody who profiles him talks about how he's constantly working on aspects of his game. Those are always the kinds of guys who push through and find new levels to their game. That's what Datsyuk did. That's what Zetterberg did. Those weren't guys with amazing physical attributes. They were guys that played the game correctly and never quit looking for an improvement or an edge or a way to impact the game. I'm trying to find the quote now, but in an interview earlier this year Rossi's coach said something to the effect of "If you told Marco that eating raisins every day for a year would improve his game he'd go out and do it". That's awesome as hell.
  11. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    Well there's really only one center expected to be available at 4th overall that has that kind of upside (Rossi). Maybe two others if you include Perfetti (who doesn't even play center consistently in the CHL) and Lapierre (who's had about a zillion injuries). Here's the thing with Rossi though. People say he's "two way" as some kind of slight when in reality he's elite in both areas of the game. He led the CHL in points, more points than Lafreniere, more points than Byfield, more points than Perfetti. He's a dominant offensive player. AND his defense is just as good. So are his face offs. So is his special teams play. If he were literally two inches taller he'd be in the running for first overall. He has MUCH greater offensive upside than any center on our team AND he's excellent defensively. Which is why he gets compared to Backstrom a lot. 80+ point playmaker with world class defense is not an unrealistic ceiling for him.
  12. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    There's a lot here so I'll streamline. 1. Dobberprospects is not "credible". It's just some guy on the internet. 2. Lundell doesn't have dynamic offense, at any level, which is why I don't want him. Sure he'll can "get pucks on the right sticks". So could Filppula, back in the day, but if I want someone to provide timely offense I'm probably not looking at Flip either. 3. I'm not down on Larkin. I'm just pointing out that he's not the kind of guy who's going to eat teams alive off the half wall on the PP. AND he's not an especially creative passer. I'm really looking for a Backstrom, Giroux, type of guy here. That ain't Larkin. 4. Again, if the scouts don't think Rossi, or Perfetti, or anyone else is going to be an offensive dynamo at center, then pass on them. "Loading up on Larkins" isn't a good strategy because you have to be able to score in different ways. Even strength vs. powerplay, transition vs. cycle, skill vs. crashing the net. All create offense, but all require different skill sets.
  13. kipwinger

    2020 Offseason

    It's a good thing you don't care, but I DEFINITELY don't believe you.
  14. kipwinger

    2020 Draft Thread

    We need a center with offense. If Yzerman and the scouts don't think any of those guys are going to be centers, then take the defenseman or goalie and draft your 2C next year. However I really haven't seen any credible sources say that Rossi A) isn't going to be a center, and B) isn't going to be a 70+ point guy (or better). We definitely don't need a guy like Lundell, as that's basically what we have in Veleno. You've got to have guys that can generate offense in different ways. Specifically we need guys who can run the powerplay off the half wall like Dats and Z used to do. We've got shooters in Mantha and Zadina but nobody on the other side who is really good at getting pucks through to them. Larkin is a good 5 on 5 scorer, and especially good in transition, but his playmaking from the blueline in isn't that good.
  15. kipwinger

    2020 Offseason

    You should have probably linked this article if you're going to suggest literally every single thing they advocate in it. Otherwise it looks like you're trying to pass off their ideas as your own. Clearly you'd never do that. https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-boeser-trade-target/