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If you don't like 'Murica you can geeeeet out! Do you realize the tagline next to your avatar says, "Stevie the one and only Captian". And your post says "your" instead of "you're" and "waist" instead of "waste". Maybe if you should go do something else too. Like read a book or find an elementary school teacher to date or something.

The Athletic's Max Bultman dropped an article today asking a number of talent evaluators (Scott Wheeler, Craig Button, and two scouts) to give stylistic comparables for current Red Wings prospects. They are as follows: 1. Seider: Alex Pietrangelo, Brandon Carlo, Jeff Petry, Aaron Ekblad 2. Veleno: Philip Danault, Mikhail Backlund, Adrian Kempe 3. Rasmussen: Handzus, Tomas Holmstom, Brock Nelson 4. Berggren: Nikita Gusev, Andrew Mangiapane, Jaden Schwartz 5. McIsaac: Alec Martinez, Ryan Lindgren, Ryan Pulock 6. Tuomisto: Colton Paryako, Tyler Myers, Ryan Pulock 7. Mastrosimone: Jason Zucker, Anthony Beauvillier, Tomas Tatar 8. Johansson: Andy Greene, Matt Grzelcyk, Jonas Siegenthaler, Nate Schmidt 9. Givani Smith: Chris Wagner, Brendan Lemieux, Lawson Crouse, Jordan Nolan 10. Soderblom: Nick Bjugstad, Brian Boyle, Jordan Greenway

Nothing more Canadian has ever been spoken. Well, except maybe this guy...

I wasn't being rhetorical with my original post. I genuinely hadn't seen anyone suggest either of these guys wouldn't be centers. In fact, most I've read said the exact opposite. I appreciate the link to the article, though I don't know much about the author.

I haven't seen a single credible source say that either Stutzle or Rossi won't be centers in the NHL. What are you reading?

Just in case anyone wanted to know Marco Rossi now has an outstanding 120 points in 56 games. He scored all those points on 193 shots, giving him the highest shooting percentage of any draft eligible. He's also a top defensive forward and leads all OHL draft eligibles in FO%. Kid reminds me of Datsyuk in so many ways.

Christopher Ehn now has 100% more goals than Brendan Perlini and is 10000% better in every other facet of the game.

And how has that worked out for the teams who "liked what they saw"? I'm sure they're all wringing their hands because they lost such a bona fide talent, what with all of his physical tools and all.

The point is that he doesn't score any more than a bunch of non-scoring losers on the same team, with the same coach. He f*cking sucks. Which is why he's about to play his way off of his third team in his "young career".

Yeah, it must be Detroit. Which is why he's been outscored by Red Wing superstars like Luke Glendening, Darren Helm, Adam Erne, Jacob De La Rose, Taro Hirose, Franz Nielsen, Patrick Nemeth, and Trevor Daly this season.

Should have known you'd come to defend him. Perlini is the loser's loser. Case in point. A few short weeks ago you were calling him an "established middle six scorer". You're the Brendan Perlini of LGW.

Also, and more importantly, he's f*cking terrible.

You gotta figure that Yzerman is going to be pressured to make some improvement from the owners. Everyone realizes we aren't going to be good next year, but I don't think Chris Illitch is going to be ok with us being THIS bad again. It's costing him a TON of money whenever the arena is empty. So I can't imagine Steve-o trotting out mostly the same lineup. But again, we're not well positioned to be buyers in UFA. So I'm guessing addition by subtraction. None of the current UFAs will be back. Instead, I think you'll see most, or all, of Seider, Rasmussen, Smith, Svech, Lindstrom, Cholo on the big club to start the season. The main RFAs will get signed and I think you'll see one of Ehn/Erne/Timashov get a contract. Perlini is toast (and good riddance!). Bowey is the only one I'm not really sure about.

Don't get me wrong, I think Filppula sucks and he's probably not even better than Glendening at this point. If we could sign a Namestnikov type I'd be thrilled. I just don't really know why any UFA would want to sign with us if they could sign elsewhere. I think at this point in our lifecycle we're basically destined to sign guys like Filppula, or else nothing at all.

This offseason is mostly going to be addition via subtraction since we're horrible and there's no way we're signing any good free agents unless we MASSIVELY overspend, which isn't a good idea. I'd look to sign a 35 year old goalie to a 1-2 year deal, I've mentioned Greiss, Halak, and Crawford in the past. Maybe I'd look to sign a veteran defenseman, thought I expect Cholowski and Seider will both be up next year to start the season. If that's the case you have: Seider, Cholo, Hronek, Nemeth, DK, Biega, and one of Bowey or Lindstrom. So maybe there no room for a veteran add. I also don't think that we add a center because I suspect Ras will be with the big club next year as a 3C and Filppula will be the 2C in a year where we're expected to be bad again anyway. I don't see us signing Gagner for that reason. I'd also only expect one of Erne/Perlini/Timashov signed and Svech and Smith to make the big club. I fully expect Franz Nielsen to retire as well. Just a hunch. Fabbri-Larkin-Mantha Bert-Flip-Zadina Helm-Rasmussen-Svech Erne/Timashov/Perlini-Glendening-Smith Ehn Abby DK-Hronek Nemeth-Seider Cholo-Lindstrom/Bowey Biega

Perhaps you should read more. https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-draft-prospects-pro-comparisons-jack-hughes-connor-mcdavid/c-306418902

You guys throw this "generational" word around like nothing. To me there are only maybe three "generational" players currently in the NHL. Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid. Crosby dropped 102 points in his first NHL season. McDavid had a serious injury, but still put up over a point per game as a rookie. Ovechkin dropped 106 points as a rookie. THAT'S what generational players do. Anybody expecting anything like that out of Lafreniere, a guy who isn't even leading the CHL in scoring, is probably overestimating his talent. He's not "generational". Not even close. He'll be a very good NHL winger, not unlike a Hall, Tarasenko, or Pastrnak. As I've said, I see Rossi as a Girioux or Backstrom type center. That's just a much more valuable all around player. Would you consider Miro Heiskanen or Quinn Hughes "generational" then? They both had equally impressive (or more impressive) 19 year old seasons as Dahlin has.

All the "experts" said Dahlin was generational and Hughes was borderline "generational". Suddently the experts' opinions aren't worth anything? Also, for what it's worth Cory Pronman, whom you seems to suddenly love, said that Hughes was a better prospect than Lafreniere. FYI.

You disagree with the "experts" ALL THE TIME. For instance, they all said Joe Veleno has limited offensive upside at the NHL level. You constantly say otherwise. They all said Michael Rasmussen was a top ten pick, something you FREAKED OUT about on draft day. Seems like their takes are only unassailable when it helps your argument. The "experts" said the same things about Dahlin and Hughes. They were wrong and will be again. McDavid and Matthews are centers. Their impact on the game is MUCH greater than a wingers' impact. Literally the only "generational" winger of the last 20+ years is Ovechkin. And Lafreniere ain't no Ovechkin. Also, you seem obsessed with media evaluators and even they say Lafreniere is more like a Taylor Hall type than a McDavid/Matthews. Sorry to break it to you, but Taylor Hall is NOT "elite of the elite".

Hmmmm...what big event in the late 80s could have led to a pretty significant drop in his point production? Let me think for a sec.

I'm pointing out instances in which consensus rankings were obviously wrong. If all those guys know so much why were they ALL so wrong on so many top five picks, year after year? My point has never been that I get everything right. My point is that "everybody" gets top picks wrong frequently enough to suggest that their consensus 1st overall choice may not actually be the best player in the draft this year.

Did I miss something? Is he some stud two-way player and everyone just decided not to talk about that aspect of his game?

Not that valuable. I can go through almost every recent draft and find something glaringly wrong about the consensus top 3-5 pick. It's odd that all those guys who "know more" get the same things wrong about the same players in the same ways, year after year. It's almost like their opinions are largely influenced by each other. Short list of things almost "everyone" agreed on before the draft but were totally wrong about: 1. 2012: Yakupov, Murrayl, Galchenyuk the best three players in the draft. Wrong. 2. 2013: Jonathan Drouin top line level talent. Wrong. 3. 2014: Leon Draisaitl wasn't elite. Wrong 4. 2015: Dylan Strome top line level talent. Wrong 5. 2016: Jesse Puljujarvi top line level talent. Wrong 6. 2017: Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier > Miro Heiskanen and Cale Makar. Wrong. 7. 2018: Rasmus Dahlin is generational. Quinn Hughes isn't in same tier. Wrong. 8. 2019: Jack Hughes was "near generational". Wrong. If I would have said Cale Makar was better than Hirschier or Patrick in 2017 you'd respond the same way you are now. You'd laugh me out of the building and point to all the consensus people who "know better". And you'd all be wrong, wrong, wrong. Does Rossi not play the harder position? Is he not scoring as much? Is he not better defensively? Does he not play on the PK? Is he not a top faceoff guy? Nothing I said is inaccurate. I'm giving you actual reasons for my opinion and you've got nothing. Refute anything I said above with actual evidence. Dare you.