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So you agree with me then. He needs to produce or else it's unrealistic to think he'll make the Red Wings next year. That's what I said to begin with. Not sure why you got your panties in a bunch.

You said, "They'll all likely get a look at some point this season, and be up full time by next season." Seems like the opposite of patient. Edit: Also, which part makes me a know-it-all? The part about Veleno not having any points? He doesn't. Or the part about him not making the big club if he doesn't start scoring? He won't. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Or maybe he's got more developing to do and as a result it might be unrealistic to think he'll be on the big club next year.

Wouldn't Veleno need to start scoring points, or even a point, before we can pencil him into the Red Wings lineup next year?

Good to see Rasmussen dominating in GR. Scoring at a better clip than Mantha in his short-lived, final, stint in the AHL. If he keeps playing like this, and we get a few lucky injuries, he and Svech might be able to start plugging that crater in our middle six forward lines.

Edit: Duplicate Posts

With respect to the Swiss League team: I don't think a bunch of NHLers half-assing it to avoid injury and ruin their multi-million dollar career in a meaningless game is an indication of the actual skill disparity between the two teams. With respect to the rest: You're comparing NHL teams to other NHL teams, which is kinda my point. Even a bad NHL team can occasionally beat a good one, so imagine what a bad NHL team would do to a bunch of AHLers? Dylan Larkin scores 40 points a period against AHL goalies. Fact. See above.

So their top five or six players are significantly worse than the Red Wings top five or six players and somehow you think they'll win? Imagine this, if the Red Wings played another NHL team who had five or six players who were better than anyone we had what do you think our chances of winning would be?

All valid points. Doesn't mean the Griffs would win a game. Against an AHL team, the Red Wings would just play AA-Larkin-Mantha, Hronek-DK like 30 minutes a game and win 75-1. It would be a blood bath. There's not a single player on the Griffins team that could do a single thing with Anthony Mantha. Hence why they're all still playing for the Grand Rapids Griffins. Edit: All of the best players in the AHL each season are guys who can't even crack NHL rosters. Wade Megan led the league in scoring a couple years ago and couldn't touch an NHL roster. Martin Frk and Teemu Pulkkinen were superstars in the AHL and blow in the NHL. It's a whole different game.

Aren't you always talking about how modern teams roll 3 scoring lines these days? If so, wouldn't Zadina be in direct competition with some combination of Abby, Helm, Erne, or Ehn who will make up the wingers on the last two lines?

Wait, you guys are being serious? Lol. Even the best iteration of the Griffins would be mauled by the worst NHL team.

Is the point that the team be better or the player be better? Because having Zadina with Larkin means one of Mantha or Bert isn't. And even the most optimistic projections probably don't have Zadina outperforming Bert or Mantha on the top line next year.

I think it's a stretch to say Nielsen is "washed up" and amongst the worst players in the league, as per your original example that I responded to. You make it seem like Zadina being centered by Nielsen next year would be some awful situation for the kid, when in reality that's probably the exact kind of usage you want to give someone when they're adjusting slowly.

Or maybe, just maybe, playing with a veteran is better for young players than you're willing to admit. Hence why young players seem to like it, and why NHL coaches keep doing it.

It's a curse actually.

Well they didn't say the same things about Abdelkader or Helm so I'm guessing there's something to it.

I think he was required to change it to this softer version upon moving to Tampa.

Why would anyone make that trade? If you called and offered the 1st overall to me, then I'd already know you didn't want the consensus top guy, and that person would then fall to me if you chose to pick someone else instead. And if you took the top player anyway, despite not wanting him, then my consolation prize would be the player I thought I was getting all along. Trading back only works if you're skipping a few spots.

Not for nothing, but both AA and Larkin has spoken (many times) about how much playing with an over-the-hill Vanek improved their offensive games. And both AA and Larkin were better players than Vanek.

With the recent waivers of Baertschi, Sprong, and Ho-Sang I'm guessing the market for Jesse Puljujarvi is shriveling up faster than his NHL career.

Michael Rasmussen is such a badass. Can't wait till he chokeslams a guy in an actual game. He's basically the Braun Strowman of the AHL now. I want him to be our version of Tom Wilson.

Did Svechnikov pot 15 despite noticeable lapses in his defensive play, then come to camp out of shape, get bumped down the roster, and then eventually offered around the league because he needed a "change of scenery"? Because in that case, no I wouldn't want him either.

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Wouldn't he actually have to be a good player to count as a "threat"? Or will any right handed shooter do? He currently scores about as often as Luke Glendening.

What else is Vancouver going to throw in to make that trade work though? I mean, if we're trading the demonstrably better player I want a quality return.