kipwinger

Get the wheelz back on the bus!

Lol. Doesn't everybody in this country? It's the American way.

Is that what I said?

For everybody except those who formerly felt entitled to degrade and undermine those they found "lesser". They long for the days when they could say whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, and nobody would object. Because heaven forbid people universally condemn these idiots. That's "overly PC". Not that we have any of those folks around here.

Yuck. Thanks for your disturbingly inaccurate take on evolutionary biology. I'm seriously regretting opening this can of worms lol. Soooo anyway, that Getzlaf is a dick huh?

There are a whole lot of bad arguments too. One of them, which seems to be a common refrain around here, is that "fighting is good because otherwise hockey is homosexual" or it's "sissy", or "like soccer", "lady like", or some other thinly veiled innuendo. That's a problem; for LGW in particular, and the hockey community in general. Which is why I can appreciate someone with a little more sense than that, regardless of whether or not I agree with you.

How do you know I'm not? And that your precious little McGrattan cannot save you? What is it like to be so helpless muahahahahaahahahaha? But seriously, Roman Reigns won the Royal Rumble. Roman. Reigns. Now that's a travesty.

If I get banned for arguing this point, the moderators of this forum should be ashamed. I'm arguing with two guys who have consistently used homophobia as a way of defending a point of view that is hardly defensible in the first place. I don't know how else to describe that type of thinking other than to say it's stupid, insensible, archaic, and disgusting. I guess maybe I'd call it "fundamentally sickening and inhuman". That's pretty accurate. Nevertheless, I actually appreciate (even though I don't agree) your view on fighting. Because at least the logical basis for it rest on nostalgia, and not the denigration of other groups of people.

I don't think anybody's calling for Reilly's head. It's pretty much universally acknowledged that he's a young kid who made a mistake and said something stupid that you shouldn't say anymore. I thought, however, that it was also universally acknowledged that you shouldn't use large groups of people (women, homosexuals, black people, Irish, etc.) as a pejorative. And that when you do, people will be offended. Not "easily" offended, mind you. But justifiably offended. I mean, that's reasonable right? To expect that your gender, skin color, religious preferences, etc. won't be consistently used as an insult by people in public.

I don't feel qualified to say whether one sport is worse than the other with regards to causing brain injuries. They both demonstrably have a serious issue with it. I do, however, feel that ANY sports league should absolutely prioritize the health and safety of their players. One easy way to do that, in hockey, is to take unnecessary (and avoidable) hits to the head out of the game. And one very easy way to do that is to remove fighting by removing the "so called" need for it...increase penalties for serious infractions to the point where players err on the side of caution. Caution. The operable word. Heaven forbid human beings in the 21st Century learn how to enjoy sports where players must be cautious of one another.

Not as happy as this post just made me. Because if you, and this drivel, are the opposition then I know I'm going to win. I know that eventually my point of view will carry the day because the people arguing against me say things like this ^^^^^^^. If I had my way, you'd be the face of the pro-fighting crowd. I'd put you on TV and let you write opinion pieces on TSN. Then I'd follow your silly arguments with the brain trauma experts, and the analytics guys, and the former players with behavior issues, and the coaches who don't use enforcers. I'd let you say exactly what you (and Frank) always say, and then I'd let the sensible people say what they've got to say, and all the undecided people would laugh at how silly you sound. How crazy your position is. And you'd lose. Because you're on the wrong side of history and your position isn't clever enough to overcome that deficiency. So keep saying what you say. I mean it. Keep trying to convince people with crap like this. And I'll win and you'll lose in no time at all.

I don't want to say anything about fighting, because it seems like you guys have got that covered. However, I do want to explain what Andersson's role it. Andersson's role is to be good enough defensively, that he (and the two other fourth line guys who are also good defensively) can be matched up against higher opposing lines, so that our scoring lines can take advantage of the mismatch. Which is exactly how Babs uses Andersson (and t he fourth line in general). Traditionally people though of the fourth line as an energy line. Our fourth line is a match up line. And so Andersson's job is to be good enough, defensively, to play on a higher line (to use your phrase). My 2 Cents.

I'm not sure why we're having this debate again. History has shown that being evermore violent in response to things we don't like ALWAYS works out well. Absolutely tons and tons of examples when punching people has effectively helped folks achieve their objectives. That has got to be the most idiotic thing a person can think. By comparison it makes GMRwings' "I like fighting because it's entertaining" argument both honest, and sensible. Can all the fighting people just use that argument? That way we don't have to keep restating how intellectually bankrupt this "fighting deters rats" argument is. I'll even help. "For as long as I can remember, I (state your name here), have enjoyed fighting in hockey. I find it entertaining and exciting. As such, I am willing to tolerate the short and long term health risks that come along with it and believe players who engage in the sport should too." At least then your position won't be so demonstrably invalided and your justifications so blatantly post hoc.

"The notion of The Outrage Police is as hollow and disingenuous as it gets – and most importantly, it doesn’t make what Rielly said right. To repeat: he’s 20 years old and not a monster, but he said something you can’t say anymore, people let him know, and he said he was sorry. That’s the way the process is supposed to work. And the people who want to distract from that basic fact by focusing on anything other than the women who are telling us what he said was wrong are polar bears on an ever-shrinking rhetorical ice floe, letting out embarrassing death rattles as they fail to adjust to a world that’s rolling right over their prized prejudices. Clearly, some men don’t like being confronted by voices other than those of their ever-forgiving frat boy buddies. Too bad. Whether they like it or not, this issue is another example of two tectonic cultural plates pushing against one another – and, as is always the case, the progressive, fair-minded plate is eventually going to push the ignorant, divisive plate deeper into the earth, precisely where it belongs." Absolutely right.

Melen is always hurt. He seems to have good skill at lower levels, bit he can't stay in the lineup long enough to prove anything. I'd be real surprised to see him inGR. Janmark seems like a good bet though.

This is the dumbest debate I've ever seen. If punching people deterred anything then Benn wouldn't have hit Z as he'd already been beaten soundly by Ericsson. Soooo stupid.

Thanks man. I appreciate it.

I'm not sure there really needs to be a debate about it. You shouldn't belittle people, ever, if you can help it. I'm sure Morgan Reilly isn't a total dick. He just said a total dick thing. Secondly, we (as a part of the hockey community) absolutely SHOULD do our best to enforce social, cultural, and behavioral norms. It's called civic responsibility. I want my children, friends, family, and neighbors to be able to share in the sport I love...because I love it. And none of them, ever, should feel excluded because of who they are or what they choose to do. However, I can't say that I'm surprised that Frank feels the way he does. This is a guy who once said that people who don't like fighting in hockey are "homosexuals". And regularly references "sissy hockey". Fortunately people like Frank here are in the minority. Positivity, inclusion, and openness are winning. And people like him are losing. And one of these days everybody with that point of view will either be forced to come around, or else be exposed for the narrow minded, hateful, ethically bankrupt dinosaurs that they are.

Abdelkader started out with the plugs and it has served him well. There's really no recipe for success. I'm usually more bent out of shape about the way Babs uses veterans than how he uses young guys.

Pete Carroll Maple Leafed the s*** out of that Super Bowl call.

I'm not sure any Toronto Maple Leaf should be speaking in the diminutive about any other group of people. Being a Maple Leaf is about as low as it gets. You're about one rung up the ladder from the guy who mops the floors at a sperm bank.

Found it. Photoshop a Maple Leaf's sweater on this picture and it might as well be their new logo.

Haha, that is exactly right. I do it with Arabic all the time. People in the Middle East are fluent in English and I try to struggle through my Arabic with them to hilarious results.

Lol. You should totally stick to glorifying Andreas Lilja. That's one of your preferences I can get on board with.

What kind of a team was the 2008 Red Wings team that won the Cup?