kipwinger

You're making a few pretty dubious statements here. Firstly, saying "there's more to offense than points", while true, immediately discounts the MOST IMPORTANT part of offense...points. Sure there's more, but scoring points is the central part of offense. That's as silly as saying that there's more to defense than stopping points. Secondly, Filppula, J. Williams, Miller, Brunner, Snyder, Rafalski, and Hudler had their career high point totals in Detroit. Likewise, neither Bertuzzi or Alfredsson saw their points fall after coming to Detroit from other teams. Tomas Kopecky saw his production increase on a Stanley Cup team in Chicago (the same point I'm currently making about Franson coming to a better team), but it has since leveled off to the same production he had in Detroit. Weiss has been hurt so you can't really tell. The guys I can think of off the top of my head, whose production was worse in Detroit than elsewhere, were Kyle Quincey, Marian Hossa, Brad Stuart, Patrick Eaves, Ville Leino, and Robert Lang. So I'd say it's a mixed bag...at best. Thirdly, don't be too excited to reject standard offensive measures (point totals) for "other offensive measures". Cody Franson has better fancy stats than Kronwall too. His Corsi and Fenwick are higher than Kronwall's, suggesting that he has a greater influence on his entire team's offense than does Kronwall. Finally, who cares about Kronwall's defense? I didn't say Franson was a better player. I said he's better offensively than all of our defensemen accept Kronwall (but maybe Kronwall too). Between his points and fancy stats I'd say I"ve made the case that he's close to Kronwall (or slightly above) offensively. See above.

It's not that absurd. In their first 5 seasons, Kronwall score at .46 points per game, and Franson scored .41 points per game. That's a difference of 4 points over an 82 game season. My guess is, that this tiny difference in points can probably be attributed to the relative differences in the quality of the teams they've played for. Kronwall played on two Stanley Cup finalist teams and 2 other President's trophy winning teams in his first five years. And Cody Franson played for Nashville and Toronto.

Cody Franson isn't going to get 7 million per. This is exactly the same crap that the media said about Matt Niskanen. They literally said he'd get 7-7.5 million per. He didn't. He got 5.75 million. If Cody Franson gets 7 million per, I'll donate 500 dollars to a charity of your choice. If he gets 6 million, I'll donate 100 dollars to a charity of your choice. If he gets 5.5 million or less, I'll be right.

What are the odds that all three of our righty defense prospects are going to be as good as Franson? So why wouldn't you sign him and just get rid of the worst one of them? I get that we all like our prospects and that we shouldn't just throw them away, but when we're hanging on to them just for the sake of hanging on to them, it's pretty silly. Cody Franson is more offensively capable than any defenseman on our team other than Kronwall (though, maybe him too). He's 27 years old, and still seems to be trending up. You'd let him walk on the off chance that one of our defense prospects will one day be better than he is? I'll throw Nick Jensen down a well right now for a righty defenseman who can score 50 pts.

Why do people do the things they do? I'd sooner try to reach out and touch the moon than understand Frankgrimes' thinking.

Well, getting to play his natural side should help increase his production so we'll see. I sure hope it helps anyway. But I'm cautious. Both Quincey and Ericsson play their off sides and produce more, despite having a much more limited offensive skill set, and not playing much more 5 on5 (and no more power play).

I like it because it's kind of a catch all for all the rampant stupidity that dorks like us can find to talk about. It's like a catch-all for absurdity lest if spill into other areas. You can't be off topic in a thread that had no meaningful topic to begin with.

For me to be a believer, all he has to do is score. That's it. He has to do EXACTLY what he was drafted to do, and I'll like Brendan Smith. It's not like I'm being punitive by expecting him to score. For comparisons sake, I won't be impressed with Teemu Pulkinnen if he turns into a real good defensive forward and penalty killer.

I imagine Don Cherry's god spitting on minorities and not winning the Stanley Cup.

Well hell, if John Keating says it then I'm sold lol. Seriously, I love John Keating.

I'm not expecting Ken Holland to be the creator of all time, space, matter, and energy. Nor do I expect him to redeem my everlasting soul. But I'll reserve judgement until all the facts have come to light.

Dude, work is a long and lonely time. You can't expect me to not engage in shenanigans for 8 whole hours.

You don't get it. He's not judging them. He's "not expecting" them to do anything. You can't be in judgement of something through omission. Here, I'll show you. Not expecting someone to be innocent is not the same thing as judging them guilty. Not expecting a racoon attack is not the same thing as judging it unlikely. Not expecting Michael Bay films to be good is not the same thing as judging they'll be bad. Not expecting someone to say something meaningful is not the same a judging that their words are meaningless. See. It's a way to be in possession of two conflicting points of view at the same time. Because you've committed to neither. The obvious benefit, of course, is that you can never be wrong.

Well I read recently, on one of these threads, that his offense is in decline. We should trade for Tyler Myers to fill in the gaps.

"LOL I've said I'm not expecting much this year and wouldn't have been surprised if they didn't do well. I've also said that I'll reserve judgment till some things are impossible." Translation... Saying "I'm not expecting much" allows me to say "I told you so" if we don't do well in the playoffs. But saying "I'll reserve judgement" allows me to not be totally wrong if we go ahead and do well in the playoffs. Conclusion... Sitting on the fence, while uncomfortable to look at, still appeals to a particular type.

Because one offensive defenseman isn't enough?

Holland has made clear he doesn't want a depth signing so he's looking for a top four defenseman. He's also made clear that he wants a puck mover and not a stay at home guy. So whoever he gets is going to be a puck mover in the top four. Now, given that Babs likes to pair one puck mover with one stay at home guy, the likelihood of pairing an acquired defenseman with Kronwall is small. So chances are, it'll either be Quincey or Dekeyser who's bumped from the top four.

I wasn't using the video to illustrate that A) Myers is the worst, or B) that Prust isn't dirty. I was using in response to Dabura's "statement"...um...statement. I'm not exactly sure how it's a "statement" to get dominated by dudes a tenth your size for two periods, and then finally act like a big boy in the third after you've given up two goals and been beaten like a mule. If I wanted to prove Myers was the worst, I'd direct you to his Jonathan Ericsson like numbers or his league worst corsi. If I wanted to prove that Brandon Prust wasn't dirty, I'd be stupid.

I'm glad the Habs lost too. They're our competition. But slow that video down at 40-45 seconds. Prust hits him in the side (so I suppose you could say blindside if you want, but it's pretty perpendicular looking to me), and not in the head.

Andreas Athanasiou to be back in a week, per Blashill. http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/prospect-news-on-janmark-kadeikin-paterson-and-griffins-great-skate-notes

I don't need to make a case for how bad Tyler Myers is. His stats already do that for me. He's apparently class president of the Brendan Smith school of puck moving defensemen.

Statement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER7fa1ESZsA

How many points did he score? You win. I'm obviously no match for your otherworldly intellectual sophistication. Please go easy on me in the future. But before you do, explain how we're going to acquire Green and Petry WITHOUT trading Quincey, Kindl, or "another roster player" for them. Also, could you explain what beer goggles (finding ugly people attractive) has to do with what you were saying?

The Maple Leafs use goalies like condoms.

Agreed. Ben Bishop is THE monster. Jonas Gustavsson is A monster in the same way that Randall from Monsters Inc. was A monster.