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Everything posted by kipwinger
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I'm watching the Devil's feed and I'm honestly impressed by the Devil's announcers. They've been pretty even handed and very complimentary of Quincey and Howard tonight.
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another good play by Quincey along the boards.
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Ericsson is playing good, but man does it take him a LONG time to get a shot off. p.s. I like our fourth line tonight.
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I'm looking for the best Red Wings post game party in Detroit?
kipwinger replied to redwingmachine's topic in General
Any of the big ones are usually a good time. Cobo Joe's, Hockeytown Cafe, and Cheli's Chilis. Of the three I'd say Cobo Joe's best. Note: Nevermind everything I just said. After reading your post again I notice you're going for the playoffs and getting a hotel. I thought you were just looking for drinks after the game. Greektown is fun though. -
Alright, I'm perfectly willing to acknowledge that the second goal was on Kindl, but I'm really not understanding how the first one was? It wasn't the greatest pass in the world in that it didn't hit Filppula in stride, but it still got to his stick and he just didn't handle it that well. Personally I don't really think you can put that solely on Kindl, if indeed you feel the need to blame someone. As a matter of fact I'm not really sure why there needs to be someone for every game, who becomes the goat around here. Guys have bad games. It happens. Kindl has by no means played so poorly that he should be subject to half the criticisms leveled against him. Waive him? Don't play him again? Promote Smith? It's Kindl's rookie season. Shouldn't we give him a year or two first? Like we did with Fischer, Kronwall, Ericsson, etc. etc. etc.
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Just thought I'd pass on some excerpts from ESPN's playoff scouting report for those without an insider membership: "With the playoffs looming, the banged up Red Wings have slowly seen their lineup return to the one Holland envisioned when he pieced this team together. Babcock is getting glimpses of the team speed and physical play in the offensive zone the Red Wings need in order to be elite -- just not a consistent 60 minutes worth." Key strength: Detroit's top six are as good as anybody in the league... "They're so skilled. Dastyuk and Zetterberg can really make it happen from nothing down low," said one Western Conference player. "Then they have Lidstrom and [Niklas] Kronwall back there with their steady D that always do their work. They have a good goalie too. They're just a sound team all over." Valtteri Filppula has had a strong season, and Gustav Nyquist has the skill to play in Detroit's top six if he's needed in the postseason. Johan Franzen's inconsistent play has been puzzling at times, but he has a track record of producing in the playoffs, where he has 72 points in 83 career postseason games. Key weakness: There are more weaknesses than usual with this Detroit team. It has a troubling road record and a penalty kill and power play that both struggle to crack the top 20 in the league. But with the Red Wings, it'll come down to health. Detroit is completely average without Lidstrom, who missed time with a deep bone bruise on his foot, and the team won't win a playoff round if Howard can't stay on the ice. "The biggest thing for them is staying healthy," said former Columbus Blue Jackets coach Scott Arniel. "For them, if Howard can't stay healthy, they're going to be in trouble. He's evolved into a top-flight NHL goaltender. He gives them a chance." Considering the offensive talent, the lack of success on the power play is another issue. "At times it gets a little stagnant," said an NHL scout. "It gets predictable where the guys are. As a penalty kill, if nobody is moving, it's easy to cover guys. The Red Wings power play is too stagnant positionally. To have that much skill and not score goals on a consistent basis is beyond me." Secret strength: The Red Wings don't get enough credit for just how deep they are defensively. Babcock said he's had to go to a rotation on defense now that he's getting all the bodies back, with trade-deadline addition Kyle Quincey sitting Friday against Nashville as a healthy scratch. Depth on defense is a prerequisite to a long playoff run, as teams like Vancouver and Philadelphia have proven the last couple of seasons. Still, it's one thing to have depth, it's another for those players to be effective. There's definitely been a bit of a transition for Quincey from Colorado to Detroit, and a guy like Jakub Kindl is a playoff unknown. Missing ingredient: Forward depth. When there are injuries to the top six, the third and fourth lines start getting really thin for the Red Wings. That wasn't always the case in Detroit where shifts from the third and fourth lines often changed the course of playoff games. "If they run into any serious injuries, especially to their top forwards, they have guys on the third line who can move up, but they don't have the depth and someone who can do the same job on the third line as the guy who moved up," said an NHL scout. "Depth is a bit of a problem if they run into health issues or are playing poorly and want to make changes."
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I'll take dumb penalties over dumb turnovers any day of the week. Smith is a good player with a lot of potential, but he turned the puck over for goals A LOT while he was up. He needs a full season to get that out of his system, not to be brought up to work out the kinks in the playoffs when it matters most. Quincey is a MUCH better defenseman than Smith at this point in their respective careers. Additionally, let's be honest and say that nobody was good during the losing streak (with the exceptions of Z and Flip) so singling out Quincey during that time isn't really all that fair. Also, I've been very impressed with Kindl's steady play since returning from injury. Nothing flashy, but rarely in the box, rarely turning pucks over, and occasionally getting involved a little in the offense. Don't know what that means for him going forward, but I don't think he's hurting us now.
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One game is less than I imagined it would be (figured 2 or 3) but fair considering there was no history and no injury. The suspension won't hurt the team, as we're rotating the D anyway, and should give E a little more time to get back into game shape. All in all I'd rather it would have never happened, but since it did, this is the best possible outcome.
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In general I agree with the assessment as well. However, I do think that the PK and PP are looking better than during the losing streak. The PK had killed 15 of its last 15, and the powerplay is scoring some (as opposed to never during the streak) and more importantly, it's getting shots on net finally. All of which is pretty obviously explained by the return of key guys. At this point, I really think that getting some lines set, and getting linemates on the same page is the biggest concern for this team. Players say all the time that timing is extremely important, and moving Bert, Miller, Abby, Nyquist, etc. up and down the lines can really mess with that (same for defensive pairings). Look how long it took Z, Flip, and Hudler to get on the same page and get ALL members firing. But once it happens you're in pretty good shape.
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I don't really think there's any concern with Jimmy's "injury history". I think he's missed a handful of games over the last couple of years that he probably would have started if he'd been on any other team which either 1. Wasn't as good and was fighting for a playoff spot 2. Didn't have as much confidence in their backup goaltending. Joey Mac has been a rock steady backup for Jimmy the last two years. If he'd be shakier, I believe Jimmy would have probably played many of the games he sat out. Dualing goalies is something of a Red Wing tradition anyway, and thank god we don't rely on just one guy for 70-75 games a season (looking at you NYR and NJ).
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Jimmy. Nuff said.
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You mean the Marian Hossa who Holland had no interest in, and who's agent called Holland and said that Hossa wanted to play for Detroit so bad that he'd take a pay cut and sign a short term deal to do so? I remember him too, but I hardly think that his actions are par for the course.
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Agreed. I think Mursak is the only effective fourth liner we have right now. I really don't understand why Nyquist isn't on the third line, and Cleary given a rest against a soft team like Columbus. Plus, I really think Miller, Abby, and Nyquist has the potential to be a pretty effective line. They all skate well and I think Nyquist and Miller have very complimentary skill sets.
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Doesn't sound like Stuart wants to come back, but if he can be had, we should sign them both.
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Exactly, we're not THAT much better with Parise and Suter than we'd be with guys like Brent Burns and James Neal. I know that neither of those guys are available right now, but I just mean those types of players. And what's best is that you wouldn't have to pay as much for those guys and still get similar production. I'd rather sign guys like that and have money left over than chase the highest priced guys on the market and not have any wiggle room.
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Jesus, you're entirely beside the point. You can't have an all star at every position, and go look at Cole's numbers if you think Montreal didn't make a good decision on that one. Unless you think his 30 goals and 25 assists (on a s***ty team) isn't worth our time. Parise only has 30 goals and 34 assists. Is it really worth spending 3-3.5 million extra for ten more points? And let's not even compare Neal and Parise.
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For some, the fact that we've got two young decent hockey players is more than they can handle. Look around on this thread and the "Early Off Season" thread and you'll see people suggesting that Nyquist should be in the top six over Filppula and Bert, and Smith should be a top four defenseman over Quincey. Never mind that neither of them have 20 NHL games under their belt yet, and never mind that none of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, or Lidstrom broke in to the NHL at that level. It's best just to nod your head and go along with it.
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Here's the thing, why push hard for Parise when he will easily go between 7-8 million. I know he's really good and can score around 40 goals, but do we really need a 40 goal guy? Wouldn't we be just as well off with another 25-30 goal scorer to fill out the top six and save the extra money. Basically, I'm thinking about someone like Montreal got in Erik Cole last season, or Pittsburgh has in Neal.
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Both Suter and Parise are going to want at least 7 million apiece. And that's before Glen Sather's stupid ass bids them up even higher.
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Dude, I'm really trying not to be a dick here but sometime I have to wonder where you get this stuff. 1. Nyquist will not play in the top six over Filppula next season. 2. Barring injury, Smith will not be on the top two defensive pairings at all next season. 3. The team will resign Quincey. 4. Detroit will not sign Suter AND Parise if Lidstrom doesn't retire (in fact, they probably won't sign both of them anyway). 4. Helm and Miller (who's coming off a career season) are not going to get demoted after working themselves into bigger roles. 5. Where's Cleary, since when did the Wings just start trading good team guys and locker room leaders for nothing? I hope this is just some sort of strange wish list, and not that you actually think any of this is realistic?
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Give it a few years for Teemu Pulkkinen to develop and Gus to set him up and then just watch sparks fly. Check out this kid's shot.
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Any chance a mod can move these last 5 or 10 posts into a new thread about a defensive replacement. It might just be me, but I think it's an interesting debate (Best D-man vs. Best Value for D-man) but nobody will be looking for it here?
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The reason The Wings shipped Mike Commodore
kipwinger replied to Wing Across The Pond's topic in General
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Agreed on the second line, but is the first line clicking any better now than it was when Datsyuk was healthy earlier in the season and was top 5 (in the league) in points while Franzen was leading the team in goals? The line is good with Nyquist, but they aren't setting the world on fire by any means. I'd like to see Franzen back on line one, Nyquist down to the third, and Cleary healthy scratched for a while to rest his knee (or on the fourth line if he absolutely must be in the lineup for these last 6 games). I disagree with dropping Mursak from the lineup. He's the only fourth liner who fore checks effectively and makes it hard on the d-men to play.