krsmith17

No. Just No! Mantha needs to be in a spot where he can utilize his shot. Not in front of the net...

Except, ya know, none of that is "bs"... Fact is, not a single person mentioned the word "superstar", until now...

Please tell us what s*** you read on here that would lead you to believe that anyone thought he would be a superstar... Was it because we thought he was worth a 2nd round pick?

Believe me, I wanted to... F***ing right!

My daughter was sick the night before last, up crying most of the night. Thus, I only got about three hours sleep... I worked all day yesterday and then played pool last night. Thus, I drank... Also, this.

Imagine if there were actually people thinking / saying that Gusev would be a "superstar"...

Also, consider the fact that Sproul was a MUCH more highly regarded prospect than Regula at that time. If Holland had the foresight to trade Sproul at the same time in his development as Yzerman has traded Regula, he would have gotten a significantly higher return. I don't fault Holland for that though. No one projected Sproul to be a complete flop at that time. The fact that Yzerman has a willingness to make trades like this is a good thing in my opinion. I look forward to some of the more impact trades to come...

That along with spelling, grammar and punctuation in general...

But he is an upgrade... I know you are, but what am I? Good idea.

I don't disagree. I think Cholowski should have started in GR. That doesn't change the fact that Daley and Green have been horse s*** all season... I think that was the joke...

So, at best he was our 7th highest ranked defenseman of the defensemen that will still be around in 3+ years? Tough loss... How will we ever find a replacement for our number 6/7 defenseman? Yes, we have depth players. But, we do not have *good* depth players. Perlini will most definitely be an upgrade over a few of our s***ty depth players. That's a good thing. Yes, we need to get rid of some of the deadweight. Enter Perlini. You've mentioned Svechnikov playing in our top six, three times now. We get it, and not a single person is disagreeing with you on that. Svechnikov should be getting a look in our top six, because everyone else aside from our top line and Athanasiou is complete trash. Enter Perlini. Where did I mention anything about his two-way game? I didn't. The only facts I've stated about Perlini is his goal pace in each of the past three seasons. You're the one talking out of your ass, saying that he projects to be "back in Europe"... You're right. It's unimaginable to think that a former 12th overall pick that has been on pace for 20 goals (or just shy of it) the past three seasons, can be a 20 goal scorer at the age of 23... Literally no one is saying he is... You're f***ing dumb.

BuT pErLiNi Is AlReAdY tWeNtY-tHrEe AnD iS oN hIs ThIrD nHl TeAm...

So Hicketts is up to replace Cholowski tonight? What a f***ing joke... Cholow hasn't been great, but he's still been far better than Daley and Green. But of course, they're veterans. Can't scratch veterans...

Seider needs more time. Kind of surprised to see Hicketts get the call ahead of Ericsson though to be honest... Looks like Perlini won't make his debut until Friday...

Like I said in the other thread... the dream is dead...

The dream is dead...

Yes, I would have had him behind Seider, Hronek, Cholowski, DeKeyser, Bowey, and McIsaac for sure, and probably even Tuomisto and Johansson. He was probably right there with Kaski, Kotkansalo, Lindstrom, Barton, etc... No, we don't know how good (or bad) any of these prospects will be, but we do know how good they are now, and where they project to be. What do you want to hold on to every single prospect, so you know for sure what they'll become? What a silly question, of course you do... No, Perlini wasn't "needed", but depth was, and he adds to that. Regula wasn't "needed" either. We just made our team marginally better now, without mortgaging the future. Perlini was on pace to score 20 goals in his rookie season as a 20 year old, on pace for 19 the following season, and 17 last season. His goal scoring has declined in each season, but so has his time on ice. He should get more ice time in Detroit, and he should be close to a 20 goal scorer again as a middle six winger. I'm not "overvaluing" any of these guys actually. None are anything more than depth wingers. This team needs depth. So yes, I would trade away junk for slightly better junk...

You're acting as if we traded away a blue chip prospect. Regula was like 10th on our defensive depth chart, and that's not including pending UFA's. He's a dime a dozen prospect. Perlini will not improve our team enough to worry about it affecting our lottery odds. It was a depth move. He's in the same age range as the rest of our core though, and can replace one of the scrubs currently on the roster. Yes, Perlini will definitely play. Ehn blows. Hence the upgrade... I know, I know, give you the kid with upside. Like I said, your narrative is very clear... Everyone knows how much you value mediocre prospects and mid to late round draft picks... Yes, I gave you s*** for the Erne trade because again, you take the sure thing over a mid to late round pick every. single. time... Even if that sure thing is a bottom six winger, chances are it's a better player than whoever would be available in the 4th f***ing round... You're right. *IF* Regula plays 10-15 years as a 4/5 defenseman in Chicago, it will be a win for them. However, the chance of that happening is less than Perlini being a reliable 20 goal scorer, middle six winger... Lol yes, I would trade Lindstrom for Virtanen in a heart beat. Lindstrom sucks. Won't likely ever amount to anything at the NHL level. Virtanen is an NHLer and a decent one at that. No brainer, except for someone like yourself that overvalues every single prospect / pick... So you believe Perlini will get us an extra 5+ wins, 10+ points in the standings? This may be even a bigger win than I originally thought if he can be that much of a difference maker...

I'm all for trading Athanasiou in the right deal, but a 2nd round pick is extremely low for a 25 year old 30 goal scorer... 2020 1st round pick, and I'd definitely consider it. I agree though, Yzerman is only getting started. I expect some big moves in the next year or so... Something Red Wings fans have not been accustomed to over the past decade.

Wow! He's even bigger and faster than I thought. Check out those wheels. He looks great in Red and White...

More so a sick child for me, but yes, also this.

Regula is "a solid D prospect, who is still 19", but the rest of the D prospects mentioned, are "unknowns"... The narrative is very clear with you. NEVER trade a prospect or pick (unknown) for a player (known), regardless of potential, because that unknown *could* someday be better than the known (or not...). Prospects and picks are GOLD... He might not be here past 2-3 years, but that's 2-3 years that we do have him, and we wouldn't have had Regula... Regula may never make it. Perlini already has 200 games played in the NHL at 23 years old. That's more than any of Mantha, Athanasiou or Bertuzzi had at the same age. He has also scored 45 goals in that time. Not bad production for a player that has been playing 10-12 minutes a night... Maybe (another) change of scenery, and realizing this could be his last shot in the NHL, could get him going. He has the skill, he just lacks the effort (from what I've read). Maybe getting him in the room with a couple workhorses in Larkin and Glendening motivates him... We have a lot of players in the pipe, but we also have quite a few that should gone in the next couple years. All of these players aren't going to pan out, and even if they do, we'll have some trade chips down the line. This team severely lacks depth. Yzerman addressed this with the additions of Erne and Perlini. Neither are needle movers, but they both improve our team now, while not taking too much away from the future. Here it is again... The unknown is better than the known... This Lauko kid may never play a game in the NHL, but you'd rather him over a kid (just a few years older) that has and definitely will play in the NHL... Regula was traded for "a guy who's on his 3rd team already", but you expect him to add much value as a "throw in + AA in a blockbuster deal"??? Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I don't really think defense is our weakest position anymore though, especially the right side (that's weird to say)... Like has been mentioned, we have Hronek and Seider that are as close to locks to be top 4 defensemen on the right side as we've had in a long time. That 3rd pairing slot on the right side isn't a major concern. I'm sure one of Bowey, Kaski, Tuomisto, Lindstrom, Barton, UFA can easily fill that role. I don't think Regula will be a big loss, even if he hits his ceiling. In saying that, the last thing this team really needed was another middle six left-handed winger... You mention that "we have way too many scrubs as it is, and need to subtract", and I agree. That's where this comes in... I don't know a ton about Perlini, but he's a big body (6'3", 212lbs), and can skate really well, which is something every team can use, and he's only 23, so there's still some room for growth. At worst, I see Perlini as a significant upgrade over Ehn and de la Rose, which strengthens our bottom six. Neither of these guys will be back next season. Also, at least two of Nielsen, Filppula, Helm and Abdelkader should be moved in the next season or two. Sure, we have other bottom six options in Erne, Kuffner, Turgeon, Pearson, Smith, but adding more depth at a relatively low cost, isn't a bad thing. Again, I'm not thrilled with the trade, but I don't hate it either. Another low risk, potentially high reward trade in my opinion...