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    News From Around the NHL *Mod warning page 75*

    Tampa desperately need to shed cap space, but if they decide to trade Stamkos, he wouldn't strictly be a cap dump. They're not giving up assets to get rid of him. They would still get a pretty big return for him. Despite his injury history and age, he's still an elite, over a point per game player. He would instantly become our best player. You're not getting Stamkos (plus another asset) for a 3rd round pick or lower... Not even close. Remove the "other asset", bump the pick up to a 2nd, and include a top prospect, and it might be enough to get the conversation started... I like Stamkos a lot, but we're not in a position to be giving up premium assets for a 30+ player, regardless how much he would improve the team in the short term. Yes, these are the players (along with Gourde) that BriseBois will likely be looking to trade as camp dumps. The return would have to be pretty significant for me to want to take on 3-5 years at $4.5-5M of any of those middle six, past their prime forwards... I'd want at least a 1st round pick, plus for each of them.
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    You've already proven with your previous posts that you've been basing your opinion purely on stats, and not from watching the games. Now saying that he has "limited puck skills", makes me question whether or not you've ever watched Veleno play... Veleno's skill with the puck on his stick is one of his strengths, not at all a weakness. If you're going to point to a weakness, it would probably be his positioning in the defensive zone. Something that can be fixed. So you do think that all players develop at the same rate? Got it. Veleno's point totals have been a little disappointing. No disagreement there. However, he's still been playing well from what I've seen. Berggren has been unreal, and is massively surpassing everyone's expectations. That doesn't necessarily mean it will translate to the NHL though... I didn't bring Mantha up as a direct player comparison. I brought him up because so many people (including you) gave up on him before he ever had a chance to prove himself. The same thing you're now doing with Veleno. Mantha is a borderline elite, top line NHL winger (when healthy). I don't think Veleno will ever have that sort of impact at the NHL level. They're completely different players. The player I've compared Veleno to in the past, and I think it's a very good one, is Phillip Danault. They're exactly the same size, left-handed centers, from the same province, drafted in the same range, and play a very similar style of game. Both are very strong two-way centers, that can play in all situations. Their biggest strengths are skating, play-making ability, hockey IQ and work ethic. The biggest difference between the two is that Veleno has been much better at every single level up until this point in Veleno's young career. Veleno was much better in the QMAAA, QMJHL, AHL, and World tournaments. All of which he played at a younger age than Danault. Danault was always an average point producer, better known for his two-way game. Sound familiar? Now he's one of the better 2nd line centers in the NHL. But yet, according to you, that sort of ceiling just isn't in the cards for Veleno... We definitely don't agree. Surprise, surprise. But if you want to write Veleno off as a 3rd line center this early in his development, go right ahead. I'm going to assume he still has plenty of room to grow, and hope he hits his ultimate ceiling, which is an elite two-way 2C.
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    What is your point? None of this proves anything, except that Berggren has been more productive in the SHL. Do you think that means that Berggren will be a better NHLer? Do you think it means that Veleno tops out as a 3rd line center in the NHL? It doesn't... More developed? What does this even mean? Every single player develops at different rates, regardless of number of games played or number of injuries. The same people that doubted Mantha are now doing the same with Veleno. Veleno will be fine, and he will be a big part of this team going forward.
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    I'm not knocking anyone that doesn't watch games. I've only watched 5 of Veleno's 11 games, and even 2 or 3 of those was a lot of flicking back and forth between games. I'm knocking people that claim to watch that clearly haven't. Or maybe they have watched 6 of Veleno's 11 games, and it just so happens that he was s*** in those 6, and really good in the 5 that I watched... Veleno definitely has a high compete level. I still think Veleno will be 50-60 point 2nd line center through his prime years, which I agree would be great.
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    Imagine thinking all players develop at the same rate... Berggren is playing in his 4th SHL season, on a very good Skelleftea team. Veleno is playing his first season in a foreign country, on the league worst Malmo team. Yes, Berggren is torching the league, but Veleno hasn't been bad by any stretch. He still ranks top 10 in points per game for all U20 players (Berggren is #1, Raymond and Seider are also top 10). I have a feeling there's a lack of watching the games and more scoreboard watching, and assuming because the points haven't been there as much as a few other guys, that "so many plays just die on his stick", which couldn't be further from reality.
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    It has nothing to do with number of games played, and everything to do with topping out as a 25-35 point, career 4th line center. I love Draper, but Veleno becoming Draper 2.0 would be a MASSIVE disappointment in my opinion...
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    If Veleno tops out as a Draper caliber player, he wouldn't be considered a bust, but he would definitely be considered a disappointment. To me, Veleno still has a 2C ceiling and 3C floor. He is still only 20 years old playing against men, and playing well despite not putting up monster points... *yet*. He had another nice assist in today's game, and he's looking more and more comfortable.
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    He will. He won't.
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    Seattle

    Yeah, Seattle won't be getting a single player as good / young as Larkin, Mantha or Hronek. Their best player will probably be Bertuzzi or Fabbri tier. Teams aren't going to make trades giving up multiple high end players / prospects again.
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    Retro Jersey...Why the gray?

    Yeah, it's not great. I wasn't a fan of the '17 Centennial Classic jerseys though until I seen them in person. I bought one of those, and it's one of my favorite jerseys... These are pretty f***ing blah though. Zero creativity.
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    2020 Offseason

    It definitely is a team stat, but Hanafin has been amongst the worst +/- players in all but one of his five NHL seasons, on two different teams. I'm not sure exactly how he's deployed, but I don't think he ever gets the toughest minutes. He's always had a Slavin or Brodie ahead of him to eat big minutes against the oppositions best. I like Hanafin, but not enough to give up what it would likely take to get him. I also really like the way this team's defense is shaping up for the future. Hronek, Seider, Johansson and Wallinder all have the potential to be legit top four defensemen. Any trade for a Hanafin caliber / aged player would likely cost one of those pieces, plus. I'd rather hold on to what we have for now, and make a trade or free agent acquisition like Hanafin in a couple years when we're actually ready to be competitive.
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    Red Wings players / prospects on loan

    J20 Nationell season put on hold for at least a couple months due to Covid outbreak. Niederbach is currently sitting 2nd in points with 35 (13 goals, 22 assists) in just 19 games.
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    2020 Offseason