krsmith17

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  1. To be fair, a lot of us have been very high on Athanasiou for a long time. Even going back to his days in London / Barrie of the OHL. He's a special player for sure, but you still trade him if he can land us a number one defenseman, although I don't believe he alone would get it done. Filling an area of weakness from an area of strength is always a good idea.
  2. I honestly doubt it...
  3. I don't think any player is truly untouchable, but I agree that some should be in the sense that the return likely wouldn't be better than the player we already have. It would take an awful lot for me to want to trade Larkin, Athanasiou and especially Mantha. But if the right deal came along, hell yeah I'd trade them. Athanasiou for Werenski? Yup. If Gretzky can get traded, any player can get traded...
  4. I f***ing love Athanasiou, but if you can trade a guy like that for a legit number one defenseman, you should definitely do it. AA has the "potential" to become a 1C, but he could top out as a 2C. All the guys you listed are 1D. If we were offered Jones or Trouba straight up for Athanasiou, I'd do it without thinking twice... Both are the same age as Athanasiou and both are out producing him from the back end. 34 points (10 goals, 24 assists) in 52 games for Jones, 24 points (5 goals, 19 assists) in 47 games for Trouba, and 20 points (14 goals, 6 assists) in 45 games for Athanasiou. Losing Athanasiou would definitely hurt, but the gain from either of those guys would definitely outweigh the loss of AA in my opinion. Especially if we have the opportunity to draft one of Patrick or Vilardi...
  5. No, DeKeyser, Green, Kronwall and Smith are top 4 based on usage. I'm thinking Smith either stays or we get a 3rd for him. But like I've said, I am okay with moving him at that price. I do use those numbers, and I'll admit to cherry picking stats at times. Everyone does it to support an argument. But the basis of any argument I have on any player, positive or negative comes from watching games. Of course there's bias involved but from watching Smith, I like what he brings to the team. And so do quite a few others. Bias also goes the other way, and for the majority of people that don't like Smith, I think they have a negative perception of him based on the player he was, not the player he is now. Anyway, I'm done with this for now... I think Smith is a very good hockey player. I hope we move Ericsson and keep Smith, but since I know that's not going to happen, I'm okay with trading Smith for the right price.
  6. Fact? What facts? Points? Corsi? No amount of numbers are going to tell the whole story. Just because player X has more points than player Y, does not necessarily make him a better player, nor does it make him more valuable to his team. I believe Smith is a better hockey player and is much more valuable to the Red Wings going forward than Kronwall. You don't. Cool. CRL think Ericsson is better than Smith. Cool. I don't.
  7. Smith is currently being played as a top 4 under Blashill. I care as much about how Smith was used in the past, as I do how much better Kronwall was in the past... Right now, Smith is a top 4 defenseman on this team. I'm not completely opposed to trading him, just like I'm not opposed to trading some of our top 6 forwards, but it has to be to a benefit of the team. As I've already stated, anything less than a 3rd round pick and I don't even consider it... unless Smith makes it very clear that he wants to test free agency, then I'd let him go for a 5th (although he would certainly get more than that).
  8. I already told you to go back and read / reread kip's post, and you said you did and you disagree. Smith is a very good puck moving defenseman. I value that. Either you (as well as others here) don't, or you refuse to see Smith's positives, and in my opinion, there are a lot of them. Great skater, great puck mover, solid in his own zone, physical, hard to play against, etc.
  9. What? Smith's numbers are down this year? I find that hard to believe with every other player having a career year stat wise... It's not like any other players production level has dropped off this year... and even if that were the case, that's not an excuse for Smith, right?
  10. We're talking about re-signing Smith, so let's talk about the future contract years, not what Kronwall used to be. Smith is better for the team going forward because Kronwall has limited time remaining in Red Wings uniform. It could be another season, or it could be 20 games, but there's no way he's finishing that contract. You give the edge to Kronwall, I give the edge to Smith because he's better (in my opinion) and younger. Smith is not a 6th defenseman, he's a top 4, and it's not just two people that think that. There are plenty others that believe he is a top 4 as well. The players you listed are top tier 2nd pair guys, some are even top pair guys... That doesn't mean Smith isn't a top 4. Is Niklas Hjalmarsson a top 4? What about Trevor Daley (the guy Pens fans want to see replaced by Smith)? Jason Garrison? Justin Braun? Ben Lovejoy? Robert Bortuzzo? Chris Tanev? Smith is a solid top 4 when you look around the league. In my opinion, he's similar in ways to '08 Stuart, he just needs an '08 Kronwall to pair with him.
  11. Kickazz, why are you bringing up what Kronwall was 2-3 years ago? Why are you comparing Smith to a "healthy" Kronwall? Kronwall isn't healthy and likely never will be close to 100% again, probably not even 75%... I'm obviously not saying Smith is better than Kronwall ever was, that would be stupid. I am however saying, and stand by, that Smith is better now, and certainly will be better in the future (next three years) than Kronwall. I'm not "dropping my standards" for Smith. I believe he is a legit top 4 defenseman. What I'm saying is that he is not the issue with our defense. Ericsson and "injured-no-good-knees" Kronwall are much bigger issues. By the way, I think you should drop your standards quite a bit, since you keep bringing up the golden years when we had Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall and Stuart as our top 4. We may never see a top 4 that good again, because we'll never see a defenseman like Lidstrom again... What the hell does another user thinking Cory Emmerton being a top 6 center have to do with anything here?...
  12. Smith is better than DeKeyser. DeKeyser makes $2.25M more. Smith is better than Kronwall. Kronwall makes $2M more. Smith is better than Ericsson. Ericsson makes $1.5M more. 15 mil tied up in those 3 long term. But Smith needs to be traded. Ok. That better? Smith is not the issue with this defense, and if we're trying to make this team better, those are the guys that we need to look at moving. Not Smith. Kronwall will likely end up on LTIR over the next year, so I'm okay with waiting for that to work itself out. Ericsson CAN be traded, and I'm sick of hearing everyone say "he can't". No contract / player is untradeable, it just takes a GM to get creative. Look at all the terrible players / contracts the Leafs were able to move over the past two years. If Clarkson can be traded, so can Ericsson. The unfortunate thing is, this organization, for whatever reason, values Ericsson and his "size"...
  13. I'd love to see him traded and get in some more games on another teams 4th line. Trade him for future considerations if any team wants him, unfortunately for Drew, I just don't see any team calling for his services...
  14. I agree, but Smith would definitely garner more than a 6th round draft pick... Unless management have decided they have no intention in re-signing Smith this offseason, or he lets them know he wants to test free agency, I'd be disappointed with anything less than a 2nd round pick. I'm not saying I think we'd get that, I just think Smith is more valuable than a player we could potentially draft in the 3rd round or later...
  15. I wasn't a fan of the Hronek pick when we first made it, because I felt there were better players still on the board at 53, like Taylor Raddysh... Still wish we picked him, but oh well... Hronek is starting to look like a decent prospect though. He's been the kid I have been keeping a close eye on this season and he has been very impressive thus far. He's playing on a very bad Saginaw team, is 2nd on the team in points (50) and shots (186) in just 48 games (6-8 less than the rest of the team). He also leads the team in +/- with a +15, most of the team are in the minus, with the worst being -24. He's 5th in the entire league in scoring for defensemen, and 2nd in points per game. He definitely needs to bulk up a significant amount if he wants to have a career in the NHL, but not bad at all for a 170lbs. 19 year old kid...