krsmith17

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If Trouba were locked up long-term I'd consider it, but no way do you trade the 6th overall pick for a pending UFA. Not to mention one that has been rumored to be interested in coming home for the past few years now. EIther a package involving Green and picks or wait until next offseason. Yeah, there's no doubt that a guy projected to go in the 1st round will be available at 35, but I just don't see any of those guys being there, especially Tomasino. Kaliyev is a very similar player to Mantha. Elite goal scoring ability with issues in consistency / work ethic. I think he'll be gone in the 15-25 range though. Yeah, Leason is a player I can see maybe being available at 35, and I'd definitely scoop him up there.

Same. Of all the guys that could go to us at 6, he would be the one I'd be most disappointed with. Probably will still be a very good player, but I'd rather any of Cozens, Zegras, Caufield or Dach ahead of him. I don't see any chance of Tomasino, Brink or Kaliyev drop to 35, but I'd be thrilled with any, especially Tomasino. He would need to plummet the way Veleno did last year to reach the 2nd round. I expect him to be gone in the 12-18 range. Leason is a player I'd love to grab at 35, assuming there are no players that fall in our lap again...

I think it could go either way, but I'd be okay with drafting him knowing he could become a winger. Love his game. I'm also more confident than most that Veleno will become a legit 2nd line center.

I think one of Cozens or Dach will go top 5. I want Cozens. Dach, not so much. I'd prefer Zegras. I want to add more right-handed forwards as much as anyone, but not at the expense of the better player. Always BPA, especially this high in the draft.

I think so, but not because of this trade...

So?... You're saying you don't understand... The same way you're not understanding what Buppy is saying... For the record, I actually agree that we should be patient for one more season, but you're clearly not understanding his point, and going on with a bunch of other random s***, that he's not even talking about...

You very clearly didn't understand a thing I was saying, which is why you constantly attempted to twist my words... It's all good though.

Legit surprised NITF hasn't said this yet...

Trying to make it seem like I think Raddysh will turn out to be Mantha... Not at all what I said. Trying to make it seem like I think Raddysh has a better chance of making it than every 2nd round pick... Not at all what I said. No, you clearly don't understand anything I'm saying... It's okay though. Compression is hard.

"Those types of players"... Mantha never cracked the NHL until he was 22. A LOT of players that go on to have very successful NHL careers don't start in the NHL until they're 21+ years old. Raddysh is 21 now, and could be ready to make the jump as early as this season, or possibly the following season. It's not about which player will make it sooner, it's about who has the better chance of making it, and right now, Raddysh had a better chance of making it than any of the potential 2nd round picks coming up in this draft. It's common sense that somehow escapes you... "My precious Raddysh"... Because I'd prefer him over a crap shoot pick? LOL "But hey, it's fine. Keep thinking Foote gets moved"... Nope, you don't try to spin words at all... Go back and count how many times I've said that Tampa likely wouldn't have to give up Foote to trade Callahan. Literally all I'm saying is that it's happened several times in the past, and it could happen again. Likely? No. Possible? Yes. It's actually amazing how illiterate you are... I always knew you couldn't form a sentence with proper punctuation, but apparently you can't read for s*** either... Stop trying to twist my words to fit you're dumbass arguments...

You may very well add Raddysh to the list, but he still has a higher probability of making it than another 2nd round pick, or Beecher at this point. It's funny because even after you cherry picked those names, I bet that if we traded all three of our 2nd round picks this year for those three players, we'd end up better off for it. I'm not saying I'd do it, because I know very little about Allison or Bellows, but if they're close to Raddysh in their development, it would be a win for us. He's a hell of a lot more proven than Beecher or any other undrafted player... which is my point. Unless Tampa are able to free up some cap space, they're going to have a difficult time adding any pieces this summer. So if they want a shot at signing Karlsson, they should be aggressively shopping Callahan. IF they had to trade Foote in a package to ship out Callahan, they would essentially be getting Karlsson for Foote... And I said countless times that if Teravainen (18th overall) and Crouse (11th overall) can be included in similar salary dump trades, then why is it impossible to imagine that Foote (14th overall) could be as well??? Exactly. You need to hit on your 1st round picks and get lucky in the six rounds after that. Julien Gauthier, another player I would trade a 2nd round pick for in a heartbeat. I don't keep bring up his injury history. I keep bringing up his injury history, age, cost, and where we are as a team... All reasons I would personally stay away. Oh yes, your comprehension is great... You clearly aren't paying attention to the going rate for dumping a contract... So please explain to me why trading for Bickell can get a team a TOP prospect in Teravainen, but trading for Callahan will only get a team a 3rd round pick, or a 2nd if they're lucky?... I think I'd have a more productive conversation with my dog...

You can name countless late 1st round / 2nd round picks that flopped? Thanks for proving my point... Yes, I know, you'd rather try your own luck in the draft, than take a known commodity... Dumb logic, but you do you... The point in stockpiling picks is exactly what you're saying, to have more opportunity to hit on a player. However, every GM in the league would take a proven prospect over a pick every single time. There's a reason not many prospects are flipped for picks, and it's because the prospect holds more value than the pick... not the other way around. I'm sure Yzerman would prefer Raddysh over a 2nd round pick, and I'm also sure BriseBois would rather part with a 2nd round pick than Raddysh. I don't know much about Wade Allison, but after a big year and then a flop, he probably wouldn't be worth it. But yes, I'd trade a 2nd round pick for any prospect that projects to be a middle six (2nd line) winger any day... It was a hypothetical... Do you think Tampa would trade Foote straight up for Karlsson (signed for the next 7 years)? I never once said Karlsson was damaged goods, but please, keep trying to spin EVERYTHING I say... I've said countless times now that Karlsson would be a great signing for a Cup contender (Tampa Bay), and a terrible signing for a rebuilding team (Detroit). I'm really not sure why that's so difficult for you to comprehend... Sure, there are other ways for Tampa to dump salary. However, trading Callahan is the easiest, most logical way to go about it. AGAIN, they probably won't part with Foote, which is why I'm suggesting their next best prospect (Raddysh)...

I don't give a s*** how Josh Hosang is doing? What does that have to do with anything? You name one player that had a similar type season and was a bust and I'm supposed to think the same thing could / will happen with Raddysh. For every stud you can name that came out of the 2nd round, I can name 5-10 duds that came out of the 2nd round... which is why it's so difficult to pull elite talent beyond the top half of the first round of the draft. I know, I know, you'd prefer to try your own luck in the draft... My point is, you're going to come up short more often than not with that strategy. You're literally the only person that thinks Beecher has top line potential. Otherwise he would be a surefire top 10 pick. He will likely go in the 2nd round, because like Raddysh, there are question marks in his game. I'll say it again, Raddysh has a higher probability of turning into an NHL regular than most every kid drafted outside of the first round in the upcoming draft. Yeah, that's exactly what I said... No, Cup contending teams like Tampa, can afford to trade away top prospects to better their odds of actually winning the Cup... Do you think Tampa would trade Foote straight up for a signed Erik Karlsson? Yes? Well why wouldn't they trade him in a package that frees up the cap space to allow them to sign Erik Karlsson? I think they would. AGAIN, not saying that's what's going to happen, but in theory it could...

I brought up Bickell / Teravainen twice now, and you still think it's impossible for a team desperate to move a contract to move a top prospect with it. Bolland / Crouse is another example off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others as well. Foote is a very good prospect, and AGAIN, they likely won't have to include him to trade Callahan's contract. But it absolutely is possible and Yzerman should be asking about him. Would I trade Cholowski to get rid of Abdelkader's contract now? As a rebuilding team? Hell no! Would I make that trade if we were favorites to win the Cup, and needed cap space to add one more piece to put us over the top? Absolutely! Again, keep playing it off as if I said Callahan and Foote to Detroit for nothing. There are picks involved and I'd even swap out the 3rd for another early 2nd in 2020. What I'm suggesting is not out of the realm of possibility. It's not highly likely, but definitely possible. Because again, it's been done before, and will likely be done again...

When I say Burns is a "freak" or a "beast", I'm very clearly talking about him physically / his durability, not his skill level... I don't "know" anything about what will happen in the future (unlike you apparently)... I'm just saying that I wouldn't sign Karlsson in part due to the risk of his injuries. You don't see his injuries, age or cost as a risk? Good for you... "In a best case scenario". In a realistic scenario, we get one if we're lucky. Given the choice, after taking everything into consideration, I take Trouba. 25 year old Trouba at $6.5-7M for the next 7 years, 50ish points and solid defense. > 29 year old Karlsson at $10.5-11M for the next 7 years, 70ish points and poor defense. Just what I would do. I'm not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape because I wouldn't want to sign Erik Karlsson...

I'm sure if I asked people in the hockey world, they would tell me that ANY player that put up respectable numbers in his first year pro, is more likely to develop into an NHL player than any future 2nd round pick... There's nothing "special" about Raddysh. You're acting as if I'm saying he's elite or something... He's a very good prospect that will likely be a middle six winger, which again, is more than you should expect from most 2nd round picks. What do I like about him? He's a big, strong power-forward, that skates well and isn't afraid to go to the net. He has a heavy shot and is a good passer. You say that Foote is off limits, and Raddysh isn't worth it... Whatever you say man...

No, you're right... No team will ever trade a top prospect again, because they seen what happened with Anaheim / Theodore... I've said several times that it's unlikely they would be willing to trade Foote, but it's certainly higher than "zero percent"... A hockey trade is exactly what I was talking about... I specifically said we'd be giving up two picks (our 2019 2nd and Washington's 2020 3rd), which oddly enough is pretty damn close to what Carolina gave up to get Teravainen for taking Bickell's contract... You're always talking about trading for a top defensive prospect like Bean or Fabbro or whoever else. What makes you think they could be available, but Foote for whatever reason is completely off limits? It makes no sense...

There's no way for you to know this. Burns is still extremely effective because he's an absolute beast. He's similar to Chara in that he may be effective into his late 30's / early 40's. That's rare in today's game. It's possible that Karlsson could end up being one of those players, but I wouldn't bet on it. Again though, age is the bigger concern for me. In the situation we're in, I'll take the younger player just entering his prime over the older player soon closing in on his prime. I also think Trouba at $6.5-7M brings better value than Karlsson at $10.5-11M.

It may seem like it's being vastly overstated because that's what's currently being discussed. However, the injury concerns is just one small part of why I don't want to sign Karlsson. The biggest reason I don't want to sign him is that he's 4 years older and closing in on his prime years. Trouba is in that same age range as the rest of our young core. Speaking on the injury again though, when a player misses 30 games and 11 games the past two seasons, and is going to command north of $10-11M per season, I think it's fair to say buyer beware. He may play the next three seasons without missing a single game, but I wouldn't bet on it. Karlsson is a player you add when you're a piece away, not several pieces / years away. I don't doubt that Karlsson will be a great signing for whoever signs him, because that team will be a legit contender, and he very well may put them over the top. For a bottom third of the league team to sign him though would be dumb in my opinion. It doesn't make sense for either side, and it's not going to happen.

Karlsson has endured several different injuries, significant one's in my opinion over the past two seasons. That's (part of the reason) why I don't want him, not because I have "inexplicable hate for the guy"... Why does it matter if he's 4 years younger? The point of YOU bringing him up was to show where Karlsson could be in 4 years... Vegas acquired Shea Theodore from Anaheim in order to protect Sami Vatanen in the expansion draft. Not the exact same situation, but similar to a salary dump. Theodore was arguably a better prospect at the time than Foote is now as well. GM's do dumb things when their backs are up against the wall. BriseBois has to move that Callahan contract. Again, I'm not saying it's likely they give up Foote, but it's certainly not impossible. MUCH stranger trades have happened. What are you taking about?... Taylor Raddysh was drafted 3 years ago, and just finished his first pro season. He put up a very respectable 46 points in 70 games. John Beecher has yet to be drafted. So yes, Raddysh is a much more well known commodity than Beecher... Lots of guys put up 40 points and become solid top 6 wingers too... What's your point??? Mantha put up 33 points in 62 games and he seems to be doing alright... Again, what's your point???

Seider is a mid to late round pick, not a 6th overall pick. He may even slip to the 2nd round (unlikely) if we're lucky...

Burns is also a freak of a human being and hasn't missed a game in over 5 years. Again, not even close to a similar situation. Taylor Raddysh > John Beecher I'm sure you would have said Teuvo Teravainen would have been a "pipe dream" in the Bryam Bickell trade too. It's probably unlikely that BriseBois would want to part with Foote, but I doubt he's untouchable. He's a high end prospect that I would like to add to the system, but I doubt he's that number one defenseman we're looking for. The chance of any of those players being better than Raddysh is slim, and the chance of the one we pick being better than Raddysh is even smaller. You take the known over the unknown every time.