krsmith17

Oh yeah, I forgot. According to you the only thing we can get for a "proven vet" is a draft pick. No players or prospects. Only picks...

I would have said Bouchard is most NHL ready and the rest need a year to develop. Could be wrong though...

Okay, so you don't understand the definition of bias. It's okay... "Do some re-reading, study it for a few weeks, hire some expert tutors to explain it, maybe get some of that Flowers for Algernon surgery...then you might start to grasp the edges." Two is better than one? Sorry, I wasn't aware we'd have to give the vets away... If these vets are as useful as you suggest, wouldn't they garner some sort of return? Maybe since they would be going to a contending team, we could acquire "depth for Grand Rapids"... Anyway, I'm out. Have a good night.

I've never advocated signing a 34 year old right handed shooter. I'm sure Vanek would be a solid addition to any team for another season or two. What does that do for us though? We need to get younger, not older.

Nah.

I don't want any cap space used in free agency, unless it's on a Tavares or Carlson type player, or trade, unless it's a top end player in his prime. Holland having a lot of cap space makes me a little nervous. Especially if he has a target in mind and he signs elsewhere, presses the panic button on the next best thing, which is a huge downgrade...

Nah, depending on what you buy, under $30, which is around $20 USD.

And we may move on from (trade) Glendening, but he will NOT be healthy scratched. Oh yeah, pretty sound logic there bud. Glendening could be healthy scratched because other players in this organization have in the past... No, there's no "veteran bias". No Red Wings GM or coach has ever uttered the words "tie goes to the vet"... I'm not sure if you fully understand the term "bias", but that right there is a bias. Maybe you agree with that sort of bias, but that doesn't make it any less of a thing. I somewhat agreed with it when we were contending every year. Now that we're supposedly rebuilding, in my opinion, that should no longer be a thing. I understand your opinion completely. I just disagree with it. That seems to really, really bother you, more than it probably should... I want to see this team get younger, and I don't want to sign any past their prime vets. You disagree with that, and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. For whatever reason, you think other aren't. You said you were going to block me months ago. Why don't you go ahead and do that? This constant back and forth is annoying as s***. I'm sure everyone else here would agree...

Never. And by never I mean always...

F***ING HYPE!!!

Depending on who was left on the board, how many spots we move back, and the return, I'd consider it. They have to listen to offers, but I think we stay pat and draft BPA at 6. I will be... Enjoy the event! I'm sure it'll be a pretty cool experience.

What does that list of players have to do with anything? The only ones remotely similar to Glendening are Williams, Eaves, Andersson and Sheahan. I don't recall Williams ever being a regular healthy scratch. Eaves was from time to time, but was injured more often than not. Andersson was just a terrible hockey player. And Sheahan was never a healthy scratch. The point of contention was never Glendening being traded, it was Glendening being a regular healthy scratch. Not going to happen. Could he be traded? Sure. That's a completely different story though. I'd trade Glendening along with multiple other bottom six forwards / bottom pair defensemen on this team. I don't think it's crazy that anyone has a different opinion than me. That's you bud. You can't stand anyone thinking any different than you. THAT'S why we get into these ridiculous debates. I respect most differing opinions, including yours. You think management can do no wrong, and every decision is for the betterment of the team. That's fine, but I disagree. NHL general managers aren't perfect, and Holland is no exception. The term "Holland apologist" used to bother the s*** out of me, but you're beginning to fit that bill. There absolutely has been a "vet bias" and a "defensive bias" in this organization. For right or wrong, these things have existed for quite some time. I believe some kids have been mishandled in the past (not getting into that again). You disagree. Cool... Why does a kid need to be a big point producer to be considered to crack the lineup? You said yourself, Svechnikov could produce at a similar clip as Helm and Abdelkader, and better than other bottom 6 wingers. So why not let a kid do it for a fraction of the price? I'm a big believe that teams should take advantage of kids on cheap entry level contracts. Find out what we have in these players before they're due for a new contract. Take advantage of points per dollar value. I could somewhat understand if we were still a top team, and wanted the sure thing. That's when you can afford to hold kids back. We're not a top team. We're rebuilding. Let the kids play... I'm in the majority among Wings fans when it comes to wanting kids to be given an opportunity. You're in the minority. It's you (and a select few) against the world... Hell, even Kenny has admitted that it's time to shift more towards the youth. He's saying all the right things. Now it's just a matter of him following through with it.

Corner Brook is meh. Don't tell me you came here and never hit up George Street?... PEI eh? Been there several times. Just last summer. Beautiful spot.

Elliotte Friedman was on Sportsnet 650 and said "I think Detroit has a lot of interest in Justin Faulk". I've long been a fan of Faulk, and I'd love to acquire such a player. I'm just not sure if I'd want to give up the assets to acquire a player having 4 consecutive seasons trending in the wrong direction. He's only 26 years old, but also only has two years remaining on a reasonably cap friendly contract. I guess it depends on the cost, and whether or not we could move any defensemen in separate deals...

Cholowski and Hronek are listed at 6'1", 6'0" respectively, and both should be around 190-195lbs. by the time they fully develop. That's not big by any stretch, but I wouldn't really consider it "small" either. Merkley will likely develop into a similar stature (maybe slightly smaller). I don't think Saarijarvi ever even makes the NHL, let alone be worth much of anything in a trade package. I agree that we shouldn't draft all smallish defensemen, but really, the only two really small defensemen we have, Hicketts and Saarijarvi are both on the bubble. Nice. Ever been? Where are you from?

We've had one top 10 pick (2017 - Michael Rasmussen) in the past 20+ years, and it looks like he's going to make the team out of camp this year (one year after being drafted). Whoever we take 6th overall this year will have a legit shot at making the team out of camp this year, and if he doesn't, will be a shoo-in next season. Larkin ranked 56th in the league in points among forwards (top 30 among centers) this season, at the age of 21. He most certainly will be a top 50 player. I may be in the minority, but I think Mantha will be a top 50 winger as well. Those are just a couple bright spots. We do need some elite talent, but what do you expect when you haven't had a top 5 pick in 25+ years? We're heading in the right direction, we just need to continue to build through the draft, and get younger. Stay the course.

How often do kids with attitude/behavioural issues have that much skill though? I'd definitely take a gamble on him with one of our three picks, 30, 33, 36. I get why people would be hesitant though. Real boom or bust player. I know right? I know right?

Snow always seemed to find a way to f*** the Islanders, but he's never really helped other teams the way Bergevin and Chiarelli have...

Imagine how exciting it would be if there were 30 GM's in the league like Marc Bergevin / Peter Chiarelli...

I like the lines, but I don't think that would be close to enough for the 10th overall pick (even as dumb as Chiarelli is)... I think at minimum we'd have to offer Athanasiou, 2018 1st round pick (VGK), 2019 2nd round pick (NYI), and even that would probably get turned down.

Glendening will not be healthy scratched. What makes you believe there's a chance that he would be? Glendening may be the 13th or even 14th best forward on the roster. He still wouldn't be healthy scratched. I don't really believe I over-value our prospects. Sure, I may have over-valued some in the past, but for the most part, we get into these ridiculous debates because I think young players should be given a little more of an opportunity (longer leash), not because I think they're better than they are, but because we should be taking advantage of young, skilled players on ELC's. You disagree with that, and that's fine. Which prospects have I recently "over-valued"? Svechnikov, the middle six winger? Turgeon, the 4th line center? Hicketts, the bottom pairing defenseman? If you're referring to Jurco. I still say he could have been a middle six winger, under the right circumstances. Unfortunately, he couldn't put it all together. I don't think we live in a world where Glendening will be healthy scratched by Blashill or the Red Wings. You do, and that's fine. I like your proposed lines, and wish they could become a reality.

Tavares will re-sign with the Islanders.

8:30 for me and I'll be well on er by then... Going out for pre-draft drinks and poker. I'd be okay with this. We also traded for Edmonton's 10th overall pick and drafted Bouchard. F*** Yeah!

I agree 100%. Of all the players that could be available, Tkatchuk is toward the bottom of my list. There are at least 5 players I'd put ahead of him. Fortunately, I don't see us drafting him, even if he is on the board at 6. If we're going to draft a winger and Zadina is gone, I'd hope for Wahlstrom.