krsmith17

Who will be better going forward? Never mind "in his 30's"... Do you think it's likely that Howard at 36-39 will be better than Markstrom at 30-33? I don't, and I don't really think you do either. So what are arguing here? Literally every single goaltender in the NHL (including backups) was better than Howard last season, so the "anybody but Howard" rhetoric makes some sense... Again, I'd prefer one of the cheaper options, but Markstrom, even at $6M would be a significant enough upgrade over Howard to be worth it. I just don't want 6 years. 4x$6M would be ideal. That way he's around long enough to mentor some of the younger guys (Larsson / Petruzzelli), but not too long that we see a drastic decline.

LOL another angry individual...

And there's the illiterate part again... Try being less angry, learn to read and understand what people are saying... comprehension seems to be very difficult for you...

LOL you're the one that inserted your dumb comment about how you won't be watching because of the Perfetti coverage they will shove down our throats... and will instead watch football... I don't give a s*** if you watch or not. Just suggesting that you have more of an open mind. You should try it... I also never said anything about Yzerman always being right, but I guarantee he knows more about every single one of the players in the top 10, than all of us jackasses combined. But yeah, Perfetti and Rossi will definitely be draft busts because nyquististhefuture said so... Almost as ridiculous as mackel calling Zadina a bust in every thread, despite everything pointing the opposite direction... Now that's a better analogy.

Here is your answer. This is all I was getting at. Markstrom is a better option than Howard going forward. Why does any of this matter? Why do we care if Howard was better in his 20's or even early 30's? All that matters is who is going to be better going forward, and you answered that question above... I've already said that I'd prefer a cheaper option. It's not about Markstrom vs the rest of the options though. It's about Howard vs the rest of the options. And just about any other option is better than Howard at this point in his career, and going forward.

I'd be okay with $6.5M, but not 8 years. I think that could be a very bad contract in the latter half. If he were 25, sure. But 29, no thanks.

LOL I say countless times that I want the Wings to draft one of Stutzle or Raymond (which you agree with). You then accuse me of being "brainwashed" by FSD, for watching a draft coverage show, where a small segment is about a player you, for whatever reason, loathe, despite probably never seeing play... Open your mind dude. As much as I want one of the two aforementioned players, I have a feeling we will draft one of Perfetti or Rossi. There's no need to get as pissed about that, as we all know you will. Unless of course, you know more about all of these players than Yzerman and his scouts...

What?!?!? No team is giving up anything close to a 1st round pick for negotiating rights. It'll likely be a mid round pick. My point was that I don't think Yzerman should sign him at all, never mind trading for his rights. 8 years at $10M?!?!? Holy massive overpayment...

Narrow minded and illiterate... Nice.

I really hope Yzerman stays out of this... Unless Krug wants to take a major home town discount (I doubt it), no thanks...

You were very much cherry picking stats, and seasons. You want to omit last season for Howard because it was supposedly an outlier, and not a sign of significant decline. Well let's also omit 2016-17, since that was also an outlier... I said Markstrom has been better in all but one of those seasons, which is true. No stat is perfect, but Save% is a much better stat for goalies than GAA. Goalie A sees 10 shots in a game, and let's in two goals. His GAA is 2.00, but his Save% is 0.800. Goalie B sees 30 shots in a game, and let's in 2 goals. His GAA is also 2.00, but his Save% is 0.933. Which goalie played the better game? I don't get the "at the same age" argument... You can't assume that Markstrom will hit the same sort of decline at the same age. No two players (goalies) progress or regress at the same rate. Howard has already hit a decline. That doesn't mean Markstrom will too at the same age. I'd love to get my hands on that crystal ball of yours...

Imagine being this narrow minded... You won't watch the program because they're going to talk about Perfetti? You know who else they'll talk about? Every other possible option at 4th overall... I want the Wings to take whoever is available between Stutzle or Raymond, but I'd actually prefer to watch coverage on the players I'm not as sold on. You know, to maybe get a different perspective...

I don't think anyone is "excited" for Staal, but most (aside from the perpetually negative) recognize this being a great trade for the Wings. As bad as Staal has been the past few season's, I'd say he's at least as good as Ericsson and Daley, and I would sign either of them for one more season, if it meant getting another 2nd round pick. And yeah, I fully expect at least one more of these trades from Yzerman this offseason to gain more assets. I'm really hoping he can somehow get another 1st in this draft.

So, not only are you going to cherry pick one stat, but you're also going to cherry pick the season's, and conveniently throw out this past season (most recent, and maybe most telling), because Howard sucked, and Markstrom was really good... Save% is just as, if not a more telling stat than GAA, but you don't want to use that because it exposes your theory... You throw out Howard's 2019-20 stats as I can only assume, an outlier, but also throw out Markstrom's 2019-20 stats, despite it being right in line with his other season's... It makes no sense... Here are their Save% over the same time frame (5 years). Except I'm actually going to use the past 5 season's, not the past 5 season's *before this past season*... Markstrom since 2015-16 - 0.915, 0.910, 0.912, 0.912, 0.918 5 year average - 0.9134 Howard since 2015-16 - 0.906, 0.927, 0.910, 0.909, 0.882 5 year average - 0.9068 If you really want to throw out this past season for Howard, as some sort of aberration, and not an assumed decline... 4 year average (prior to this past season) - 0.913 Markstrom is still ever so slightly better, throwing out the most recent season, assuming Howard hasn't hit a brick wall, and will miraculously beat the odds, and rebound in his 36 year old season... So yeah, Markstrom has been better in recent years (including or, in your case, excluding this past season). We can argue all day what they're worth, but there's no doubt that Markstrom will be worth more (debatable how much) for longer, being 6 years younger than Howard...

$5.7M for one more season. We could easily retain half and trade him at the deadline and get another 2nd round pick, assuming he has a decent year...

Amazing trade by Yzerman!

Most of those players either won't be re-signed, will be healthy scratched, in Grand Rapids, or just aren't as good as Gagner. Never mind all of the other junk that Yzerman didn't sign, that he will likely try to get rid of over the next couple seasons. Gagner is a solid bottom six forward on a great contract. Looking at this signing in a vacuum, there's literally nothing not to like. If you want to lump it in with all of Holland's bad signings, that's not really fair to Yzerman...

Markstrom has been much better than Howard in all but one of the past six seasons, and is 6 years younger. But yeah, it totally makes sense to look at their stats over their entire careers. Never mind what they've done recently. What really matters is what Howard did when he was in his prime...

Love it. Great contract. Because we signed Gagner to close to league minimum?

LOL are you being serious? I'm honestly not sure... Zadina is 20. Howard is 36. HUGE difference... Okay, fair enough. I disagree, but whatever.

I've always been a Howard supporter, but he hit a brick wall this season. It's unfortunate, but it's time to move on. It's too bad he had to go out the way he did, after a very solid career, but it happens.

No. Still makes no sense. Still a terrible analogy. What sort of contract do you think Howard will sign this season? That's if he can even get a contract... I'd say max 1 year at $2-3M per. So you think Howard at that contract would be more valuable than Markstrom at four times the term (4 years), and twice the salary ($5M)? I strongly disagree... Howard single-handedly lost the Wings' games last season. Markstrom single-handedly kept the Canucks' in games the past two seasons. Markstrom would be a massive upgrade to Howard. Anyway, I'd sign Markstrom as long as he can be signed at a reasonable term. Otherwise, I'd take a shot at one of the other many pending UFA goaltenders.

Yes And Yes.

Sure. And I'm just saying it was a terrible analogy... Why are you still talking about Hutton? I've been saying that I'm only interested in Markstrom if we can sign him to a relatively low term contract. He's probably not going to go for that, so yes, I agree that a Halak or a Greiss, or a Talbot would be a better option for where we're at in the rebuild.