krsmith17

Where did you get any of that from what I just said? Turgeon *could* be a better option over Nielsen next season. Yzerman *might* buyout Nielsen after this season. Yzerman is not an idiot for waiving Comrie over Howard. Yzerman would not be an idiot for waiving Turgeon over Nielsen. Not the moves I would like see made, but whatever. Not earth shattering one way or another.

I straight up think Nielsen is one of the worst players in the NHL this season, and a number of AHL players *could* be better than him. I'd give Turgeon every opportunity to steal that spot, and gladly waive Nielsen to make it happen. But again, I'm hoping Yzerman uses a buyout on Nielsen this summer. If that's done, I don't care who fills out that 4th line. Some combination of Glendening, Abdelkader, Helm, Erne, Turgeon, Smith would be my preference. If Turgeon is waived in favor of any of those first 4, fine. If he's waived for 36 year old Frans f***ing Nielsen, I'd be slightly annoyed...

4th line NHLer? Absolutely. I'd rather play him over any of those guys, as well as Nielsen. Anyway, like I said, we're not going to agree on this, so whatever.

The one where he plays 1C most nights, eats a ton of minutes, defensively responsible, and is one of their better penalty killers and faceoff guys... Is there a different version of the Griffs that you've been watching?

In past seasons, I'd agree. This season, not so much. Nielsen has been aaawful offensively, and I don't think that's going to change as he gets older. I'm sure there is some bad luck, and some lack of confidence involved, but he hasn't been close to good enough, never mind the fact that he's making $5.25M... Nielsen is currently on a 9 point pace over 82 games, and Turgeon would be on 16 point pace over 82 games in the NHL... Point translations obviously aren't an exact science, but to say that Nielsen is better than Turgeon defensively AND offensively isn't 100% accurate. I'd like to see what Turgeon could do on our 4th line for a full (or even half) season before I conclude that he doesn't have an NHL future...

Turgeon could be a solid 4th line center / winger. He's good at faceoffs, can kill penalties and chip in (at least as much as Nielsen) offensively. Or he might be another career AHLer. I wouldn't be too upset if we lost Turgeon to waivers, but I would personally rather give him a shot over Nielsen next season. I hope Nielsen is gone one way or another (trade or buyout) next season anyway. And don't confuse this back and forth of me being upset about losing Comrie either. At the end of the day, I doubt it's any major loss (same goes for a Turgeon), but I would have liked to see him given a shot. I just find how the whole situation played out, more confusing than anything. I never said Yzerman was wrong on Comrie, I said he could be wrong on Comrie. Even said he's (you're) probably not wrong. That's exactly what I'm confused about. You say Yzerman traded for him to give him a look, but he wasn't what they hoped for. How do your pro scouts not know that after watching him several games prior to acquiring him? How do you determine he isn't what you hoped for after two games? It doesn't add up... Either way, Comrie is gone. Oh well. I wish him luck.

I honestly think Ehn and Turgeon could be as good as Nielsen. Or at least, can't be any worse. Nielsen blows. His defensive game is overrated and his offensive game is nonexistent at this point in his career. Waive Nielsen. Give Turgeon an opportunity as the 4th line center / winger. If he's able to hold down the spot, great. If not, waive his ass too. No big loss. But the key is, get rid of bad players. Nielsen is a bad player, and his contract is worse. Anyway, I know we won't agree on this, so probably not much point in furthering the conversation... But just to be clear, I do see your perspective, and it's the approach most GM's have, but I'd like a more forward thinking approach, and get away from the old boys club mentality. F*** "tie goes to the vet". It should be "tie goes to the kid", especially as a rebuilding team. I know Yzerman would have disagreed with me. But why does that matter? Believe it or not, a GM (even the great Steve Yzerman) can be wrong... The chance that Comrie ever proves him wrong on this one is pretty slim, but still possible. You'd have to think Comrie's confidence took a pretty big hit after being traded for basically nothing, waived multiple times in the span of a couple weeks, and eventually the realization that no team wanted him for free... I hope for his sake, he has the right mindset and plays to prove people wrong. He may never be anything more than a solid AHL goalie, but that's why I'm confused as to why Yzerman didn't put in a claim this time around. Our goaltending depth is terrible, and Comrie would have been able to be assigned directly to Grand Rapids. If he's nothing else, he should be a more than capable AHLer. The Griffins just signed Kevin Poulin to a PTO. Is he any better than Comrie? I doubt it...

Comrie cleared waivers... I guess Yzerman REALLY didn't like what he seen in him in those two games... Real head scratcher, considering how depleted our goaltending depth is, and the fact that he could have been immediately assigned to Grand Rapids... Oh well...

Facts... Opinion... What's the difference right?

Sick burn... Thing is, I don't give a s*** if you trash talk the team. Just have a clue what you're talking about before you come in guns a blazing... FYI, I'm sure you didn't watch it, but the Canadians beat the Americans on Boxing Day...

For sure... The fun thing about the internet...

Yup, exactly how they drew up yesterday's game as well. They lost 6-0, obviously because Veleno tapped a guy in the head, even though it had no effect on the game (no penalty called) and likely no one even knew it happened (other than the two involved in the altercation) until AFTER the game, and Hayton not removing his helmet, AFTER the game...

Again, you clearly didn't watch the game, so just stop making a fool of yourself. Veleno wasn't even penalized for the "head butt", and there shouldn't have been a suspension for the tap on the visor. What Hayton did was likely because he was too dialed in. He apologized and said as a leader, he was trying to process the game and evaluate how they could regroup. Got lost in the moment. Also said he knows he needs to be better. There's nothing wrong with the leadership group. The entire team needs to be much better.

Imagine not watching a game and then voicing your opinion on the game based on a few headlines... Hayton didn't remove his helmet for the National anthem. Lapse in judgement. Veleno "head butted" a Russian player, aka gave him a love tap. Lapse in judgement. To suggest either should have their letters stripped is a joke. They have been two of their best forwards (outside of Lafreniere). Team Canada should be ashamed by their performance yesterday afternoon, but to place the blame on either of those guys individually is dumb. Keep telling yourself that bud. You're the King of bad takes.

The fun thing about the internet is that anyone can post their opinions, no matter how dumb they are...

What a f***ing joke...

I'm aware. And now all of this conversation will be for not, when we claim him again, and immediately send him to Grand Rapids. I don't undervalue Howard at all. I've always been a Howard supporter, and I too got sick and tired of people bashing him over the years. It's different now though, for me at least. His numbers are atrocious. He current has the 66th worst save percentage (0.884), and 68th worst goals against average (4.11) in the entire league. He's bounced back from bad stretches before, but I don't think he will this time. He's getting older (35, soon to be 36) and more injury prone. I think he will likely retire after this season (if he's smart), or go one more season at most. For those reasons, I think it's time to move on, and yeah, I would move on from him for a number of goalies currently playing in the AHL, that are 10+ years younger with the potential and pedigree like Comrie. If it works out, we could have our goalie of the future, or a stop gap for a few more years. If it doesn't, no loss on our end. That last paragraph is why we'll never agree on things like this. You may be the only Red Wings fan that would waive two 24 year olds before the 36 year old, that has been one of the worst players in the league, and is one of the worst contracts in the league. Both Ehn and Turgeon can do what Nielsen has done (or better) for a fraction of the cost. I'll always keep the player that might suck, over the player that does suck. The question was very relevant. I would rather keep Comrie (Turgeon), who might suck, over Howard (Nielsen), who do suck... You would rather keep the old, washed up vets... We disagree on this one. No big deal.

Using your lame "material" against you... Cry more. Good. We'll reclaim him, and send him directly to Grand Rapids.

LOL The moment your adversary resorts to "blah, blah, blah", you know you've won... I'll stop embarrassing you now...

Seider with two apples through two periods... Germany up 3-1.

He's a hell of a lot closer to Bergeron than J. Staal, that's for damn sure...

No, you're absolutely right. Dylan Larkin = Jordan Staal 2.0 Exact same player. Same size, same play style, same skill level, same production. I'm just happy we have our 3rd line winger locked up... He and Zadina, along with who? Mantha? will make a solid 3rd line in a few years. Just not sure if Zadina will be good enough to play 3rd line. He may end up in Europe in a few years...

"Hedging my bets". Not at all. Howard and Bernier suck. They could have been waived. Comrie could have been given an opportunity. If he showed something re-signed. If not, let walk this summer. Literally nothing lost in that scenario. No, I don't think Yzerman is an idiot. Do you think Yzerman is a god that can do no wrong? Yzerman is a great general manager, but has made several mistakes over the years and will continue to make mistakes in the future. This may prove to be a mistake. Or it may have no effect on anything one way or another. One thing I guarantee is that not a single person (besides maybe you) will ever look back on the move to waive Comrie over Howard / Bernier and say, "Thank god we waived that bum instead of Howard / Bernier. Imagine where we would be right now without these guys"... Some of us disagree with you. I am calling you out on your s***! Cope harder... You still didn't answer the question. In that scenario, who should be waived? Nielsen or Ehn / Turgeon? In the end, much like this situation, it probably won't matter much, because none are likely a part of our long-term future, but you always keep the younger (potential) player that might turn into something over the old (way past his prime) player, that is what he is, costs way too much, and provides little value. It's either you agree and you would waive Nielsen, because you have a bias when it comes to your boi Howard, or you disagree and you would keep Nielsen, because you're dumb...

Staal (or should I say "Stahl"...) f***ing moron...

Mantha out another 4 weeks minimum - upper body, presumably concussion symptoms... EDIT: Nevermind...