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You wouldn't say jensen is middle of the pact on the redwings depth? I see mantha larkin mrazek athanasiou ouellet sproul pulkkinen bertuzzi nastasiuk marchenko holmstrom janmark backman all ahead of jensen ... That's not middle of the pact ? I added turgeon and ehn because like you just said they were just drafted and I think might have some value because of that cause they might still have some upside ... Would you say turgeon is a top prospect? Nope but I could see him being a 3rd liner one day Not saying these types of guys alone will get us big names in a trade but as a throw in they Want someone like that rather than Ferraro or Callahan who's like 24 and likely a ahl lifer And for your information I check up on our prospects daily to see how do and watch griffins games when I can ... Detroit hockey prospects on twitter for anyone who wants to check updates everyday something we agree on

I heard something about colin wilson being involved ... We'll see what happens Would you say Tatar and nyquist were first tier prospects then? Don't know if anyone would say they were projected to be 30 goal scorers ... I would say pulkkinen is of the same and yet he's only 22 and leading the ahl in scoring so at the least he's a borderline first tier prospect

Yes I wouldn't wanna give him the contract it would require to get him that's all ... Were gonna have to agree to disagree on that I will say I think if we gave smith more ppl time he'd get more pts and yes i see sproul being able to put up numbers on the ppl in the future , I also like ouellets future and I'm not counting out backman yet on being on this team(still only 22)

Someone was talking about Callahan and/or Ferraro being dealt and I said if we gave up a mid prospect it would be someone like those 2 who are younger Callahan and Ferraro with still some upside

You MIght be right about the waivers but I don't see them being interested in themIt'll have to be at least someone like frk jensen turgeon ehn ... Someone in the middle of the pact with some potential

Cool thanks for that man ... Think Subban is getting at least a mill per more than he should and matt carle is thanking god everyday for that contract

Well I can't tell you who exactly is making 5 mill per for 5+ yrs (rip capgeek) I do know the ones deserving big money are the ones I mentioned and obviously more guys who make what? 6-8? Don't think it's that much more than the 5.5 you mentioned For me personally Keith Subban doughty weber pietrangelo type guys I mentioned should make what ? 6.5-8 per Seabrook and yandle and McDonagh types maybe 5-5.5 ... Although in a few yrs McDonagh will be elite

Ferraro was on waivers I doubt they'd want him ... If it's a mid level prospect it would have to someone like frk who's unfortunetly seriously disappointed thus far but still young

a hell no to letting any of those go ... Maybe pulkkinen in a big trade for say a larsson .. Wouldn't give ip on ouellet Well that's a specific contract , I'll say the the ones deserving of big money and long contracts are the obvious ones doughty pietrangelo Keith Subban karlsson etc.. Mike richards? The one thing toronto is in serious need of is leadership .. Is richards severely over paid? Hell yes but Phaneuf keeps getting absurd by the media and picked on all the time by nhl players so much so it's become a jokeMaybe a richards + pick or mid prospect for Phaneuf I don't know ... I do know any deals involving those 2 would be done in the off season and not trade deadline No thanks ... And I don't think holland is interested in giving up a first round pick ... I know they say this allot but I do believe it's a deep draft and we already don't have our 3rd rounder

If we give him 10 mill 2 years fine ... Not willing to go the 6 yrs it will take when we got ouellet sproul backman marchenko jensen in our system and a lot of top names being dangled out there(so they say) I don't think getting 2 30-35 pt seasons for a defenseman should mean he automatically gets big money longterm and yes he logs a lot of ice time but I think we have to see everyone's situation differently .... He's in toronto , who else will they give allot of ice time beside he and Phaneuf? Gardiner is a bust and reilly is a kid... Polak?robidas? This reminds me of weiss who I didn't like when we signed him and said he was overrated and got all those pts with florida cause they had no one else and got s*** on... You can give all the excuses that he's been hurt and this and that but whatever the case but so far he's been a clear bust Is it hard to fathom if he went to a good team and given more responsibilities he might just not cut it? My point was besides kessel and maybe van riemsdyk who do they have that they aren't willing to trade or buy out with to wanna keep such a key piece? Nobody in my eyes ... Clarkson will get bought out for sure Chicago and the players I mentioned there was 0 chance they were willing to part with any of them to keep the guys they let go Yes but I'm saying if he's as good as everyone says he is then they wouldn't let him go no matter what ... Rebuilding or not you still need pieces And sadly i agree our defense doesn't provide much offence but we got some promising prospects and we can always trade for a yandle or larsson type player if the chance comes Easy ? Nope but I think l.a could be a team that would take him in a heart beat especially if voynov is no more

Well apparently not all 30 teams cause toronto are stupid and I want to let him go ... Seriously though would a lot of teams want franson? Maybe but there's a salary cap now that everyone has to work with so you just can't throw money at whoever without thinking about itWisniewski comparison is he's another player everyone wanted here as you just said and I think is over priced and went to a team that no one wants to go to and can only attract free agents by over paying them(which is what I predict what will happen) say a Edmonton or whomever As I've said before if we get him as a rental at the deadline ... Good .... I'm just not willing to give him 5-5.5 per year for 5-6 yrs ... I don't think he's done nearly enough to warrant that money He plays with columbus ... Who exactly are they gonna give all the ice time to? There's a reason why top teams didn't give him all that money

Different situations All those teams you mentioned did it in order to keep star players Kane toews Keith hossa Chara bergeron rask krejci Zetterberg datsyuk lidstrom (unfortunetly Franzen over hossa) Leafs have what kessel? Maybe van riemsdyk? Who else do they have that they aren't willing to part with that make big money to keep a key piece? If he was really as valuable as you claim he is they wouldn't just let him go, they do everything and anything to keep him ... Everyone knows they will have to buy out clarkson , a chunk of his money would go to franson, they could trade a bozak or lupul ... Whomever They don't have star studded guys like the teams you mentioned who they would never consider trading Yes the leafs were poorly run for along time but do we really think shanahan is an idiot ? I'm convinced he's doing everything to give he leafs the best chances to get Connor mcdavid by hiring these idiots to coach the team , so if Phil kessel got dealt at the deadline it wouldn't surprise me Anyways back to franson ... We'll just have to wait and see what happens

They never said Babcock is coming ...babcocks is there first choice as a new coach ... Do you blame them? And they always end up going to teams that have a had time attracting free agents ... Wonder why

Nope ... Watch hockey central daily , they've mentioned a few times how teams like l.a are interested in Phaneuf (sutter coached him calgary) and with voynov most likely being gone for good it also makes sense Deals like that are easier to do in the off season ... And as I said before if you really love a player and he's that good you won't just let them go If we were gonna lose say a Tatar right now we wouldn't trade someone to make room for him? We find a way to keep our best assets

Loads of potential but with his attitude it's a big risk

I said I would take him as a rental not longterm at the price it would cost which is what you said 5-5.5 for 5-6 years ... No Thanks And no offence but just cause you say he's absolutely a 2nd or 3rd nhl defensemen doesn't mean is ... It's your opinion just like my opinion that he's nowhere near a number 2 or 3 ... More like 4-5 on a good team (my opinion) I love these logics of how the leafs are giving up on franson because there the leafs ... If he's a number 2 they do everything in there power to keep him ... Leafs or not He reminds me of a james wizniewski ... I recall a lot of people wanted him and he ended up going to Columbus for around 5 per for 5 years? He's not worth the contract and neither will franson , and he will end up on a team that will overpay and a team that has a hard time attracting free agents If he's traded to the wings at the deadline I see him going with dekeyser on the 2nd pairing ...again personally I'm not willing to give him 5+ Longterm

Your kidding right? It's all over the sports news all the time here how he loves toronto and how toronto isn't willing to budge from the 4 mill per ballpark , it has nothing to do with past 1 year offers ... if they realize how amazing he is they'd just give him the 5 per longterm and be done with it And why even bring up kronwall? Kronwall is also what? 7 years older? And he's much better overall than franson is If he's as good as you think he is they do anything to keep him and trade say a Phaneuf in the off season

Except it's really shanahan running everything now so your post doesn't apply

If he is a really good 2/3 then why is toronto of all teams refusing to give him the contract you think we should give him? As I said before I'm all for the rental ... I'm not willing to handcuff ourselves to that money and length of contract is all , on this team I don't think our coaching staff will see him ahead of kronwall Ericsson and dekeyser Yes dekeyser doesn't have his offensive numbers but he's younger and I think his overall game is better and he will be ahead of franson when he's 27-28 ... Smith is starting to get things going and ouellet has a lot of upside (reminds me of vlasic from sj, won't out up big numbers but solid dependable d) and ouellet and smith doesn't cost us 5-6 per for 5-6 yrs

I read something about ouellet already inviting his dad to the trip and thought he was given the ok by holland but he wasn't? Guess holland did him a favor

I don't hate on franson ... I'm just giving my opinion ... I said I'd take him as a rental but not longterm at the price he wants ... Not worth to me Just because he's better than a kindl doesn't mean he's worth that price ... There's other trade options for dmen and if not then why not wait for a real number 1 to become available(or make him available with a big trade) And we have some very promising dmen coming up , what's the point of drafting them? There going to have to play ... Realistically Kronwall Ericsson dekeyser aren't going anywhere and most likely smith We got Quincey one more year at least and ouellet ... Sproul isn't gonna come to detroit in 2years to be a number 7 Now if get a legitimate 1st pairing I'm sure things will change but that's how I see it for now I don't think he's worth that much at the 5-6 years it would take to sign him ... No way we give up smith for a rental

To be fair I did say he watched occasion leafs games being that he's from canada like myself ... Kinda hard to believe he watched every Nashville game is what I said Now as for franson or any other player you don't have to be an expert and follow every single game to more or less know what a player brings ... As for franson big body, right handed shot .. Help on the power play , can log in 20 minutes of ice time That being said I don't think he's worth locking up at longterm at 5+ Per ... That is MY opinion ... And if he was so good you'd think the leafs would sign him up at that price as that team is a disaster and needs to keep it's best assets

You expect us to believe you watched a ton of Nashville games? Your from canada as am I so I assume you've watched leafs games occasionally on Saturday night hockey and on sportsnet etc... During the week , although like myself I highly doubt you watched every single leafs game He's not worth signing for 6 yrs ... Rental yes ... Longterm No thank you 2nd pairing cause we wanted to split kronwall and lidstrom to give us better balance I would say and kronwall was a first rounder , gold medalist and cup winner , learned a lot from lidstrom ... I think it's fair to say he accomplished more than franson has when they were both the same age

Is franson a first pairing nhl defensemen?? I think the fact that you mentioned above he's a 2nd pairing dman and would do the same here that you agree with me that no he is not Should 2nd pairing defensemen be getting 5-6yr deals for 5.5 per ? For me it's an obvious no which means no thanks to franson longterm