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I think might have been to do with Karlsson and Hoffman debacle? Maybe wanted Hoffman as far as possible to try and keep Karlsson ?im sure what your saying happens but I think it depends on the player and circumstances wings Tampa had the Erne deal ... sens Tampa had the Callahan deal ... the lucic/Neal deal ... the Ceci/zaitsev big player(s) deal ... gudas/Niskanen deal ... anyways I think it all depends on the situation but I think any gm would be foolish to not consider all trading partners if it’s beneficial for the team, if we traded say athanasiou to the sabres for ristolainen , something like that ... not saying I’d do that deal but just saying something that can help both teams shouldn’t be ignored if it’s the best deal for the teams involved I know the % isn’t that much higher but I’m saying if there’s someone you really like , or say maybe two players your hoping to target in the third round (if you still have your own 3rd) and know there’s a risk they won’t be there in the 4th-6th rounds then it’s always the best move to have a pick that’s 100 spots better , I get what your saying but I don’t think there has been many impact guys the last what 5 years from what I recall that were picked 25-31 , John Beecher for me comes to mind cause I wanted him so bad last year but as good of a shutdown guy he can be that might produce numbers better than expected I don’t think he’ll be popping 60+ Anyways again I get what your saying , maybe I’d be fired as a gm but if I was Dubas I’d take the 3rd back from the wings instead of the canes and not cause I’m a wings fan , I’d do the same if it was a deal with the sens But if Tampa didn’t have that 3rd, they wouldn’t have point , more earlier picks the better ... it’s always the teams job to get that guy Well to be fair who have the leafs traded of late that was worth talking about? J.v.r?bozak? Sundin was never dealt ... big impact guys are hardly dealt anymore by teams and signed longterm, I do think we’ll see more deals within the same conference and divisions yes im well aware the deal was made for the leafs to get that important cap space which is why they gave up the first I’m fixated again cause I think they might have moved up 100 spots in a deal if we sent a 3rd ... you could be 100% right , I could be right ... I know we’ll never know 100% for certain unless Dubas/yzerman said they talked to eachother and a deal would never have worked out between the two teams anyways all this back and forth is going nowhere lol we have two different opinions on this and that’s fine

Just a heads up I don’t know how to fix it all nice like you did above so don’t hate my guts for my reply lol first the sakic stuff , we’ll never know if that was the case but yes probably but times have also changed , now there is only 4 divisions and your basically cancelling out 1/4 th of teams in the league you can deal with and doing yourself a disservice so I personally think that doesn’t apply any longer unless your talking about trading a mcdavid type star within your division ... a mid to late first or middle player or prospect I think teams would consider anything If the return was best for the team Grewe or soderblom ? Eliasson or brattstrom? I know if I was a gm I’d rather be drafting a 3rd rounder over a 6th any day . Yes it’s all a crapshoot at the end of the day but I’d rather pick 100 spots earlier and grab someone I got my eye on that might not be there later on and I’ll stick to that stance. Brayden point was a 3rd rounder, it’s that teams job to find that guy who slipped out of the first few rounds your 80% first rounder chance doesn’t necessarily mean they’d be a key point producer but I get your point and maybe your right and Dubas would have said no but we’ll never know. It’s not like he shipped him out west , again he helped a fellow eastern team and Carolina is on the rise and that division has a very good chance of having 5 playoff teams for the next 2-3 years at least so I don’t think it would have hurt the leafs if im Kyle Dubas I do my offer 24/7 2 times any day lol ... guess we won’t agree with this one . I’m sure we can agree our assets to use to get more picks for next draft is beyond mediocre and pisses me off personally which is why the marleau s*** bugs me and add the Callahan deal we were counting on collapsing ... was hoping somehow for nichushkin so he can have a good year and ship him off , it’s all green and Howard I’m hoping at this point somehow yzerman can pull off puljujarvi from the oilers , think with us adding filppula it might be a good time to land him with a Finnish veteran around he can communicate with, if he rebounds and becomes what teams thought he could be that instantly makes AA or someone like berggren available to get an important piece back outside of that Gardner x1 and goodbye on deadline day but I’m realistically expecting what we got right now to be it

Why would I think Sakic is stupid? Ken Holland is the one who gave up a 1st for a guy he had and just previously let go . From what I remember I don’t think anyone was thrilled it’s givng up a 1st at the time for Kyle Well if you think by the 3rd the odds drop imagine in the 6th round? Leafs would give themselves 100 spots better to pick someone they might like who dropped or might not be there later hey that’s fine you don’t think they’d have pulled the trigger and that’s your opinion, mine is they’d do the smart thing and take the 100 spots better in the draft to move the player they so desperately wanna move , I think the wings are the least of tampa’s Concerns right now . It’s pretty much leafs bruins and Tampa at this stage coming out of our division. 5 teams can make it in the other division and after the draft Carolina had the leafs just helped them get even better quicker and if I had to bet money I’d say there’s good odds 5 teams will go the playoffs from that division next couple years anyways it’s all said and done now and we’re pretty much counting on green and Howard to stay healthy all year to get us assets at the deadline , we got nothing else coming our way

I forgot the wings were still in the west when the deal happened, either way it seems like everyone but ken Holland was aware what a horrible trade that was when the deal occurred. We will never know either way 100% unless yzerman/Dubas says a better deal was on the table than the Carolina one but I’ll always believe till that day comes had we offered say a 3rd rd pick instead of the canes 6th we’d have won the marleau deal. Again a 26-31 pick is hardly a lock at being an nhl player and when all is said is done picking 100 spots earlier on the leafs end is a no brainer. I think some teams are realizing limiting themselves to trade with other divisions are doing themselves a disservice by knocking out 25% of trading partners right off the bat

I’m well aware it was motivated by getting rid of the cap hit which is why they gave up a hefty price in that first rounder but they got back a 6th from Carolina to do so and I’m saying If we counter offered them with a 3rd pick instead I’m sure they’d have taken it regardless of us being in the same division . You have to take the best offer that’s best for your team at the end of the day, lets say the 63rd pick or 159? It shouldn’t even be something to think about think tampa Thought we can’t trade Erne to Detroit? What if he pops 30 and smashes stamkos into the boards and injures him? There’s no certainty that say 27th pick would ever play and besides the leafs don’t have to worry about the wings for another 2-3 years . Anyways it’s done now and can’t be undone but I think we blew an opportunity especially with all this cap space and we didn’t get any callahan’s Or anything to land us assets but instead filppula and nemeth. It’s been a dud of a summer when you consider the moves we could have done

Well I don’t know if it’s a gift if we’re offering the better deal ? ... they got a 6th from the canes , I’d we were willing to say you know what take our 3rd rounder you think Dubas wouldn’t do it? and at the moment there isn’t much of a rival going on and like you said drafts are a roll of the dice so even if we get the 27th pick let’s say it doesn’t mean we can land a top guy so I think they’d have made the deal with us Yes I agree it takes years before we can see what happens with any teams picks but for me personally I like to swing for the fences , sure someone like grewe will probably be an Nhler and we’ll probably like him a lot but I like to go for the first line guys and go for it I like seider as well I’d just have preferred to have moved AA in a deal to get him and have podkolzin in a dream scenario , I think he’ll be a player for us but at 6 we need him to be really good not just a decent #3-4 who can put up 25 pts cause in my eyes I can already see podkolzin and Petersson tearing up the league together on the same line but anyways as you said it’s all a waiting game now

I love Stevie and he’s my fav player all time but gave him a C , now part of me thinks he’s purposefully trying to keep us bad to land a top 3 pick so I’m kind of ok with it but there’s stuff I wish he’d have done differently .... Patrick marleau , look I’m sorry but how does a well known cash strapped Carolina owner end up getting the first from the leafs ? Like wtf we had all this cap space and didn’t end up getting any extra assets ? Carolina gave up a 6th to land the first round pick , so offer a 4th instead ? Just get that first rounder in a crazy deep draft , that seriously pissed me off the 2019 draft , I was pissed on draft weekend ... not as much now but still bothered by it but I think he did what ken Holland ignored for years and tried to desperalty fix our d problem in one single draft . It’s been years we been lacking dmen and yes I’ll say it again imo I think we should of landed brannstrom over Rasmussen, I think if we had him maybe we’d have still have seider at 6 but I think we’d have gambled to land tuomisto in the 50s , point is not having any real top end dmen in our pipeline for years forced Stevie everyone knows how much of a fan of podkolzin I was and still am and wished we took him but was also pushing hard to make s deal to land seider, really wanted fagemo and bothered we passed on puistola and a few other guys , when I’m looking at the draft I’m always looking to go for a homerun pick and go for guys with high end upside . I mean maybe Albert johansen makes it And is a solid what #5 dman who doesn’t put up much points? But I’d have gambled it and taken someone else . Was pissed with grewe cause I saw puistola available still but I think he’ll be a player and a pest along bertuzzi so I’m ok with him. Anyways I’m satisfied enough with our prospect pool and I have no doubt after the 2019 draft we won’t be bulls***ting the fans in 2020 when we say we truly took the best player available in the draft anyways yzermans been there a short term so can’t complain too much yet , like the kaski signing and again I think he’s purposefully trying to tank but I wish he’d be able to land us marleau and add some guys on July 1 with the sole intention of trying to land back top picks for next draft and sadly right now mike green and Howard our only options which is beyond dissapointing

Your most likely right but I’m just hoping we can given he’s what 21? And I don’t think he’s really been given a bunch of ice time but hey I could be wrong ... maybe a team like Carolina with all those finn’s? Or maybe some conditional pick .. whatever again your probably right but with d’s especially I’m hoping for something From what I’ve seen and read he looks like he has nice upside is all I’m saying and if he makes the nhl it won’t be some plug in guy , he won’t be there checking guys and stuff he’ll be there as a playmaker and a guy who can produce trust me I’m the first guy to complain when we draft short guys but all I hear is how this is the new nhl and it doesn’t matter and stuff so for me personally I’m more excited at him at this point than say a Phillips who we drafted this year earlier on ,like you said man it’s a crapshoot and anyone pretty much rounds 4-7 is unknown I’m excited about him cause of his upside but I’m not gonna go crazy if he doesn’t make it cause like you mentioned those guys along with axelsson,Daniel larsson etc... I’ve been disappointed ... so cautiously optimistic , this will be a big year cause If he continues from the end of last season and dominates the Finnish league then there’s really reason to be pumped about him

I know I’m way more excited about him as a prospect than saarijarvi and he’s got upside so if he makes it he won’t be some 3rd/4th line plug guy, I believe he can be someone we can potentially be talking about as another steal pick ... yes it’s still very early and odds are against him but I like him more than some guys we have anyways point is more picks regardless where it is better chances of landing players , we could have landed Samuel fagemo last season for example as a 7th and he’d have been a steal right now . Like I said I’m just greedy and want as many picks as we can get lol

We got kivenmaki at 7 so always give me that pick cause you just never know haha , but yes more likely than not late picks won’t ever play but I’m greedy and just want as many picks as possible

I’m ok either way with seider , Mannheim seems to be working and his coach is apparently heavy on fitness which benefited him and others ... it would be cool to see him in Grand Rapids but I’m ok either way , I know in Germany he’ll get a ton of ice time and represent Germany at the juniors in December wasn’t sure about mcisaac being unavailable for ahl doesn’t have to be a 4th but maybe 6-7 ... maybe your right , just don’t think he’ll get much time to play in Grand Rapids with everyone ahead of him and all the prospects we have coming . I’d be shipping him out now if possible This team would be a disaster in 2020-2021 if we have zadina veleno seider , possibly top 3 pick all play on the team with pretty much no nhl experience, maybe someone like a Pearson or someone we don’t expect ..... add to that Rasmussen,cholowski with barely any games in id like to see zadina up cause we can’t just plunk in 4-7 rookies in the lineup in the same season

That sounds pretty much about right except I think seider will be in Mannheim and I think I heard mcisaac is injured so likely will be in the juniors again? I’d like to see him in the griffins when he comes back and play there and be ready for Detroit at 21 if possible but that’s not a big deal. And like to see saarijarvi moved to recoup that Erne pick back cause I don’t see him having any future here after the draft last year and regula etc... ahead of him but again no rush everything seems pretty much spot on at this point , I think we like ehn and he makes the lineup though , I can see us trying to move Darren helm at this stage ... maybe some salary eaten to the oilers for manning (then we bury him somewhere) + a pick? whatever way we look at it, it’s going to be a long season and I’ll just enjoy keeping an eye out on our future in Detroit,Grand Rapids and elsewhere and I for one wouldn’t be shocked at all to see AA moved on the deadline if we see contract talks are going to be a problem for us and trying to land a top d prospect even though we have some good ones coming unless every prospect we have turns to a bust I think outside bertuzzi mantha larkin , most guys are expendable with the likes of veleno,zadina,Rasmussen,berggren coming in 1-2 years ... hopefully a lafraniere/Raymond/byfield just not enough spots ... it’s a good problem for us to have after years of having nobody on this team but aging vets and bust prospects

If zadina makes the lineup it’ll sadly likely be on the third line in my eyes which is sad for him cause I guy of his talent and scoring ability should have talented guys to play with , I envisioned a hirose AA zadina line but now it looks like AA will be a winger again and thus bringing zadina down cause I see hirose and his play making ability being on the top 6 unless they move Erne up and give zadina hirose? erne filppula AA hirose Nielsen zadina probably looks better and gives us more of a threat on the third line , still think it’s inevitable that AA gets moved think zadina gets to start the season up , sooner or later we have to give some kids some games, sure it be nice to have veleno Rasmussen zadina down together but then what next year 3 of them make the team at the same time with Rasmussen really being the only one with significant nhl time?this way at least two of 3 have played a ton of games and know what to expect for 2020-2021 rather than having a bunch of kids at the same time up ... don’t forget good chances cholowski will be back full time then as well and seider possibly kids need to start gaining experience rather than all gaining it at the same time together

Ummm ya I like that lineup you have in the sense it’s so bad it’ll give us a top pick next draft haha , I mean who’s gonna get pts in those bottom 2 lines? Nielsen will be lucky to crack 30-35 pts besides and I won’t get carried away with Ernie cause we got him i mean sooner or later some young kids have to make this team , this hasn’t been going on forever ... zadina bitched how he’d be better off with Better players than ahl guys basically who knows if that’s true or not but I’m sure if he started down his confidence would be shaken a bit You’d have to think one of those 4 will crack the lineup and I’d rather it be zadina , veleno has been good but I think I he needs to get some ahl experience first and Rasmussen was completely wasted last year and needs to get a ton of ice time and get his confidence back otherwise that 9th overall pick will be a complete waste of a pick . I’d have like to think svechnikov had a real shot to make this team but we just have too many bodies anyways whatever happens this year we will suck hardcore and if there a season to watch the griffins it’s this year

Anyone know if hirose and Erne can play right wing? If they stay locked in at left wing now that likely leaves zadina as a 3rd liner if he makes the team (surprise surprise ) Bertuzzi Larkin mantha Hirose filppula athanasiou ( was hoping for a hirose AA zadina line ) Erne Nielsen zadina And then is where the real fun begins ..... helm glendening abdelkader ehn delarose turgeon Rasmussen svechnikov like wtf man? Lol turgeon pretty much means destined to not make the team which is why I suggested mccaron swap but he’s basically turned into Erne now svechnikov is pretty much doomed , Rasmussen should in no way be a redwing unless he’s swapped with zadina , he needs a ton of ice time my guess ... ehn was good in a 4th line role and cheap , along with glendening and were forced with abdelkader so that leaves one more spot and I’ll go with delarose unless he gets cut for turgeon , that leaves helm as the odd man out as my pick for who will be gone . If we eat some salary he should be moved. This doesn’t even include veleno,berggren,grewe and the others we drafted this year and hopefully kivenmaki + Rasmussen and maybe svechnikov if he still has a future in 2-3 years which is why I wouldn’t be surprised if someone like AA got moved at some point to land us a top d prospect anyways end of rant

Ya I know it’s mannheim and the German league but I haven’t seen Carlo jump into the rush and score the type of goals and plays I’ve seen seider capable of doing , I’d say he’s got much more upside than Carlo hands down I dont take every word button and others say as golden at the end of the day they’re all guessing just like All of us , only difference is they get paid for it and we don’t but how many “paid” scouts do we see get fired for not hitting on the picks? It’s fun to compare prospects to nhl players but that’s just it . Fun.

Pretty sure yzerman didn’t get Erne with no intentions of him getting on the team , and if those 3 don’t get in over all the garbage we have it’s 100% for tanking purposes not against Erne trade completely but we better start shedding some scrubs real soon

Don’t get this move at all with all the kids coming this year and next , it’s time to start shipping out the deadweight ASAP Only way this makes sense is if he’s planning on keeping zadina veleno and Rasmussen down and “unintentionally” tanking next season we already added filppula,hirose,ehn should be on the team , zadina,turgeon,svechnikov were suppose to fight for a spot , there’s just no spots as it is already ... If we hear tomorrow delarose,helm,glendening are moved for picks then it’s all good but it won’t

Any realistic fan knows this season will be a struggle especially with our d core and who knows we might even add kronwall who’s almost 40 who’s yet to make a final decision + an aging goalie who’s had injury problems in the past I’m just gonna enjoy watching the young forwards + hronek

Dark horse means we’d surprise teams and the only way I think we’ll surprise teams is at how s*** we’ll be lol and that’s fine by me Cause we need a top 3 pick in 2020 I agree with you there are things to like , the mantha bertuzzi Larkin line is golden , after that it should be nice to likely see zadina play and I’d expect him to get 20-30 in a full season but his +/- won’t be nice to see overall , and I think hronek will be a big guy for us and open some eyes this team sadly has way too many 4th Lines in the bottom lineups and our defense is just atrocious and without looking at all the d lineups around the league I’d say we easily have the worst d , if not bottom 3 . Like hronek a lot but he’s gonna be in his first full season and green is the only other guy who can put some numbers up and I’m hoping for once he doesn’t get injured so we can send his ass packing finally on deadline day i know yzerman says there’s spots to be had but I think he’s smart enough to know we desperately need a top pick next draft so I expect veleno to be down as well as cholowski and I think they’ll send Rasmussen to get a ton of minutes and boost his confidence. I think 2020-2021 will be the season to watch for wings fans when cholowski and seider will be on the team and Rasmussen and veleno could be in a top 6 role i think we’ll have some exciting moments watching the young forwards this season but our defense is just too horrible to overcome and Howard is getting older so I’d say there’s a good chance he gets hurt again we’ll be a bottom 3 team but I love where our team is headed

Probably but we’ll never know if he could have been a decent 2nd-3rd line guy capable of 40-50pts , he left at 21 I think he could of had upside if he put in the work and had zetterberg with him and all the Swedes , again we’ll never know could have been a nice boost in the lineup having a 6’5 Swede knocking precious Sidney around ... and no not saying we would have won the cup if we had him lol anyways it’s just sad looking back and thinking of lofberg,ryno,Axelsson,ritola,larsson(Daniel) And all these other guys I had hopes on and not one turned out lol , hoping for much better luck with these picks from the last 2-3 years , if we can have a repeat of the 2018 draft in 2020 we’re gonna be kicking ass sooner rather than later and I’m hoping for a repeat draft and competing hard in the 2020-2021 seasons and beyond and not wasting mantha and larkin

Outside Tatar and Nyquist pretty much Traded jarnkrok and janmark

I think there’s more of a chance Howard sticks but I don’t think yzerman has any attachment to green , if a team offers us a first or 2nds I think he’d pull the trigger with seider and cholowski having good odds at both being on the team by 2020-2021 we 100% have a s*** year coming and with any luck we finally get that top 3 pick Cause this year will be crazy deep , I’m a gambler and with the kids coming like veleno,zadina,berggren,svechnikov etc.. and spots for top 6 being in demand I’d do AA for Edmonton’s first if it was doable and root for them to choke all season and get 2 top 10 picks but I know mostly everyone would think I’m mental haha come on Jake Gardner , with our luck we’d get him for one year for like 6-7 and f***** breaks his back two weeks before trade deadline with like 43 pts lol

Ya unfortunately I think he was just homesick which sucked for us cause I think he’d have been a player for us , don’t know how good but he had decent #’s in Grand Rapids to start , 7 in 12 and just f***ed off back and from what I seen he’s been one of the best point getters in Sweden of late oh well , some guys in Europe aren’t just cut out to move that far away from family and friends , think same s*** happened with dick axelsson?and grigorenko if I recall had a great shot at being a good player and almost died , we haven’t had much luck in Europe for those stretch of years but hoping with larsson,berggren,kivenmaki etc... Our luck is turning again

Good chance that happens as well and for our sake we need Larsson to be the next big goaltender in the nhl so let’s hope he takes the ahl by storm at the present I’m just thinking how we could possibly add more first round picks for the 2020 draft and sadly mike green is our only hope if he dominates and that might not even be possible just wish we’d somehow land Gardner for one year and hope he can go on pace for 50 pts and get a nice return this 2020 draft will be so good