Richdg
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If a move is made-yes big if, for say a Dman, how bold should we be with our young talent at the F position? There are 3 old vets for the top 3 lines: Z, Neils. and Abby. There are also 3 speed guys in: Larkin, AA, and Helm. There are 3 big young F's with offensive ability: Mantha, Svechnikov, and Rasmussen. Checking line of Bert, Sheahan, and Witkowski/Glendening.
That would be a big gamble but also might be the most talented F group we could ice. That of course would free up Tatar and Nyquist + some young D to get another top Dman.
You could run F lines of:
Z-Larkin-Mantha
Helm-Neilsson-Svechnikov
Abby-AA-Rasmussen
Flip Helm and Abby if you want.
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I said before the draft (or just after) that Rasmussen was somewhere between Daze and Primeau. Either one in their prime would make us a much better team. Is he one of our top 9 F's right now? Find out in September....
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4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:And here come the Bertuzzi haters lol...
Just because CSS or whoever had Bertuzzi projected as a 5th, doesn't mean the Wings or 29 other teams didn't have him a lot higher.
Hate to burst your bubble, but Fasching and Hayden haven't done much at all at the NHL level. Bertuzzi just carried his AHL team to a Calder Cup championship, won the Butterfield trophy as the leagues MVP, set a franchise record for playoff scoring, and is a much more rounded player than former AHL standouts like Pulkkinen.
Keep up that 2013 narrative while you have it though, you don't have much time until Bertuzzi makes the team full-time.
He is a checker. Nothing wrong with that. Every scouting site in the world had him as a 5th or lower. Many had him not getting drafted. Yes he plays great in the PO's. 3 years in a row. But during the regular season he hasn't been an offensive player. 25 goals in 120+ AHL games. He is a 4th liner in the NHL.
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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:Erik Karlsson Is A Garbage Pick
Article from when Karlsson was drafted. Just wanted to illustrate how little we actually know about the draft or our own picks at this point in time. Many moaned about the Bertuzzi pick back when, and those fans are eating crow now, like this guy is eating crow on Karlsson. The Wings have shown that when they reach down the list for guys it's usually for good reason. I think this draft was a crap shoot, and that we might see guys from all over the board in the first round succeed and fail. I think the true reach was Lindstrom in the 2nd round. Hoping he turns into another Bertuzzi type pickup.
A lot of faith in a guy that isn't dominating in the AHL and has done nothing in the NHL. The problem with Bert isn't that we drafted him, its that he was a projected 5th round guy and we used a 2nd on him. We could have had Bert and another player like Fasching or Hayden, etc.....
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You sure on Smith. He played with the Griffins last year. Yes there are some funny rules between the NHL and the CHL that I can't ever remember.....
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This is true. Howard is a better G right now. His problem is one of health not ability. Mrazek may be better down the road, time will tell.
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16 hours ago, krsmith17 said:I'd make a significant wager that no major changes in the way of trades will be made this year, or any year until Holland moves on. I'd love to be proven wrong on that though...
That is the feeling and has been mine. But there is always hope!
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For once I do expect a trade or 2 to happen this summer. Not sure who is heading out or coming in but this is not a playoff roster and Holland has stated he wants us to make the playoffs this year. That means major changes will happen. This is also scary. For us to get major pieces we have to give up major pieces, something we don't have.
This also means that some guys may end up on our roster before they are ready. Guys like Svechnikov, Smith and Rasmussen.
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11 hours ago, Whatahoot said:We are all bleeding Red and White watching the slow decline of our Red Wings, and engaging in the talk about what (or who) is wrong with the Wings or critiquing this years draft...
Maybe I missed it, but what I don't hear talked about enough is decline of good shooters fighting to get into good shooting position and Shooting the DAMN PUCK! Look at the list of players who come in with "The Nack" and natural Sniper skills to get into the slot between the circles and shoot the puck and by year two or three chose now to pass the puck instead putting it on net. Especially on the Power Play. I don't know the answer, but for as long as I have played youth and amateur hockey (25 years) and watched the game (over 50 years) the Wings are making way too many passes from inside high percentage shooting spots to poor percentage spots. Good natural shooters like Nyquist, Larkin, Helm and even Sheehan have had down years after lighting the lamp with success in previous years. I have been watching for it and it keeps repeating itself. Driving me crazy! It will be interesting to see Mantha and AA perform next year to see if the pattern continues with sophomore and junior year scoring slumps. We'll see, certainly the Griffins team doesn't seem to have an issue...? I can't help but wonder if it's coaching? Or at least the staff isn't doing enough to set the expectations clearly enough.
There, I feel better :-)
You are correct in saying we don't shoot enough, we don't. But the guys you listed and I bolded are not natural goal scorers. Nyquist has always been a better play maker than shooter, Sheehan has always been a good defensive C not a goal scorer, and Helm couldn't score in a womens prison with a handful of pardons!
But its not just the number of shots, its the quality of shots and front of net guys to band home the rebounds. Most of our shots are from 25 feet away, not in the hot scoring areas on the ice. We have lacked any true front of net guy since Homer retired.
The only true snipers on our team are Mantha and Tatar. That is it. AA scores on breakaways, Z and Nyquist are play makers, same with Neilsson. Abby gives everything he has but is a very average offensive player.
But players have to be able to skate. Look at Frk. Guy has a great shot. Yet both the RW's and the Canes have let him go. Why? He can't skate. Same for Pulk when we had him.
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Kronwall will hopefully be LTIRed! His knees are gone. I would resign Vanek if I could. RHed shot and played well for us last year. Gives the kids more time to develop.
I was reading WIIM and they were hoping we could move 1 of Tatar or Nyquist for a 1st. I LOLed! neither will get you a 1st. We now have about 20 Demn either signed or own the rigts to. Move some for a proven vet or 2. Could say a Nyquist, Cholowski and another get you Fowler or trouba? Don't know till we ask.
Please dont go out and throw a 7 year 49 million contract offer at shattenkirk. yes he is a good player and I would love to have him. But not at those numbers. 5 years and 40 makes much more sense.
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4 minutes ago, xtrememachine1 said:This is why I think Rasmussen was the right choice. The Wings organization has made the decision to change the make up of their team. To get bigger and be a more physical type of team. You don't draft a sniper over a 6'6" goal scoring center when this is the way you want your team to look now. All of their picks were big and fit into this new image, this new type of team. A player like Tippett does not. As Coach Herb Brooks said when he was building the U.S. 1980 Olympic hockey team: "I'm not looking for the best players - I'm looking for the right ones."
Just think about the guys that should be the core of our team for the next 12-15 years. Mantha-a sniper, pure goal scorer. Svechnikov-sniper and play maker. Larkin-very good speed, good shooter and passer. AA-very good speed, good shooter average play maker, G Smith-big physical puck retriever with some offensive skill. These are the guys that will become our top 6. They will also fill out of top 2 PP units. What is missing? Front of net. No one else in the entire system can play that role. Adding Tippett doesn't solve that. He is another sniper, which is fine. But then we have to do something dumb like this year when we had to use Mantha and Vanek as the front of net guy, roles that they are not suited for. After Vanek it got worse and we had to use Sheahan! We also used helm and Nyquist in that role. This is why Rasmussen fits our team and the team needs so well. On paper anyway.
Look at potential PP units down the road:
Unit 1, using a 1-3-1:
net front: rasmussen
slot: Mantha
RH wing: Larkin
LH wing: Sproul/Russo
Point: DD
Unit 2, using a 1-3-1:
net front: Smith
Slot: Svechnikov
RH wing: AA
LH wing: Jensen/Cholowski
Point: Lindstrom
Those are not bad units based on potential. Now if Tippett was our choice we lack a net from guy and we take one of the wings out of the lineup. With him being a RHed shot it would be one of the Sproul/Russo or Jensen/Cholowski pairs.
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8 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:
Ummmm, yes he is, based on what both did.
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again 1 was ranked 4th the other 5th. 1 can skate the other cant. Not a big difference at all here. Thing we all have to remember is every guy picked in the 1st round this year could be a bust. Every last one of them. On the flip side every one of them has enough potential to be a star. For anyone to say they know for sure who will do what is flat out lying to everyone.
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Just now, kickazz said:Makes you wonder if that's the reason Viliardi was passed up by 4 or 5 teams.
There is a reason, we just have no idea what it is. Maybe it is as simple as his poor skating. Maybe more... who knows.
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2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:I have no choice but the give Ras-ma-taz his chance. I hope he becomes a superstar. I'm just so over Holland...
That we agree on. His drafting or the organizations drafting has been pretty good the last 5 years. The 10 years before that was terrible. Kindl, McCollum, Sheahan, etc.... vs. Mantha, larkin, Svechnikov, Cholowski, and rasmussen. Much rather have the later group!
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3 minutes ago, Mckinley25 said:Both Tyler Wright and Ken Holland spoke highly of Rasmussen's off ice character, and it seemed, at least in the short interviews, that it weighed heavily in their decision. I know virtually nothing about this process, does this seem to anyone as a valid reason for picking him over other players that were ranked better?
It does play into things. Generally teams in all sports stay away from drafting drunks, drug users, women beaters, people that cant spell the sport they play, those that are overly entitled, etc...
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5 minutes ago, kipwinger said:Right, but we just used our highest draft pick in almost 30 years on him. So presumably you'd like to fill a need with it. Especially if that need is as important as 1C or 1D, both things we need, and neither of which Rasmussen will be if moved to the wing (where we're currently loaded with talent). And even then, if you were going to target a guy to be a goal scoring winger, why not take Tippett who is by all accounts the best goal scoring winger in the draft?
What position is Tippett? Vilardi? Neither will be C's in the NHL. Yes we could have went D instead. I would have been very happy with Foote and less happy with others.
I would have been happy with Tippett as well. But I don't believe he is better than Rasmussen either. Different players. They play a different game. We have snipers-like Tippett and have 0 front of net guys like Rasmussen. We all have been complaining-to include yourself about taking to many 50ft shots with no one there to bang home the rebounds. Now we have someone to do it.
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52 minutes ago, Shaman said:It's hard to compare between leagues in the CHL and between years. But I will say, within the same league and same year, his stats are underwhelming. Add to it that his production, corsi, and P/60 and G/60 5 on 5 scream third liner and PP specialist, then you can see why a lot of people were projecting him as a late first rounder and why people aren't happy with him at 9.'
And lets not forget to sprinkle on the bacon-bits on this draft suck salad, Holland did mention that he could see Ras being converted to wing.
He could yes. So what? Larkin and AA are supposed to be C's but are not sued as such. So do they suck? Or do we have a coaching problem? Svechnikov can play C very well-all 3 spots TBH. If he stays at wing does he suck? Or is it a coaching issue? If Rasmussen moves to wing that isn't a bad thing. Yes it leaves a hole at C but there are some options on the team. He is but 1 piece of the puzzle.
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3 minutes ago, kipwinger said:Nobody said he sucks, so get over yourself. Most people, myself included, have argued that he was a bad asset to take with the 9th overall pick. Given how similar type players (Vilardi, Kostin) fell down the board, if you REALLY wanted Rasmussen he probably would have still be there in the 15-20 range, so it would still have been prudent to trade back and get additional assets. And that's only if you REALLY wanted him, which I'm not sure why you would considering there were several better players still available at 9 (Tippett, Necas, Valimaki, Vilardi).
That is your opinion. Get over yourself. Again he was the 5th best NA skater. Vilardi was 4th. But at this point in time Rasmussen is a better skater than Vilardi. If Rasmussen goes out and puts up a bunch of 25+ goal seasons playing in front of the net who cares? Will he? We will only know 15 years from now. Then we can decide if he was a bust and the other guys you mentioned where better.
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I understand when people have their own favs, but not sure why the hate for a guy that has yet to play a pro hockey game. Many keep talking about his lack of skill. Not sure where that comes from. I don't read every scouting report but I do read several. Not one said he sucked. I have been following the draft for 20+ years and over that time there are some specific sites/scouts that I have grown to trust. That being said here is the scouting reports for our last 5 1st round picks from the scout I trust the most. You tell me were he is wrong:
Mantha
Tall left winger with physicality and scoring prowess, as well as willingness to stick up for his teammates. A physical presence in the Q that has elevated himself into the first round by playing well in each outing. He missed the cut-off to the 2012 draft by one-day, and in 2011-12 has a respectable 22 goals and 51 points in the QMJHL. Increased that to reach the 50 goal plateau this season. He does come with a little concern that he can play uninvovled and unwilling to do much of the dirty work on the back check to unearth pucks. No one wants to start placing labels on junior scorer who come off lacking enthusiasm and full game commitment, but you have to wonder if it leads to his fall down the slottings.
Larkin
Two-way player at the centre position who displays excellent balance and jump all over the 200 foot sheet. Sees the ice well and makes plays in the offensive zone with both skill and grit. Plays strong on the puck and shows some snarl in the battle zones. Displays soft hands and sets up a whole lot of chances for his linemates. Very responsible in his defensive zone. Smart and aware on the attack, and deceptively quick.
Svechnikov
Big bodied Russian import who hands and feet can at times make him a dominant player in games. Has a good shot and feet. Possesses a big frame that has room for more weight. A member of his homeland’s team roster for the World Junior Under-20 at Christmas 2014.
Cholowski
Four way skating defender who has seemed to go from a tiny midget defenseman into a six foot elite skating offenseman. Calm, confident and aware from his end all the way up to the attack zone. Plays on both the PK and the PP where his vision and elusiveness already make him a strong competitor. He will continue to work on strengthening his shot and over all physicality in the weight room. He started at 5’ 8” and projects to be 6’ 3”.
Committed to St. Cloud State University.Rasmussen
Large competitive two-way centreman with skill and good feet. A gritty, naturally strong player with mobility who wins most board scrums. He is a dominant player in the front and below the goal line. A mobile skater who is difficult to contain or move; he wins puck battles and scores. Intriguing prospect with upside offensively: difficult to contain, and effective vision and passing skills. Owns the front of the net on the power play. He might look for the pass over shooting, but he protects the biscuit well. Has an upright skating stride but gets there and shows jam when he greets you. His combination of power and skill is at the high end of this draft class, even though you might hope he would show a bit more effort all sixty minutes. A raw talent who may end up being the best player out of the West.
Do any of those scouting reports saw player X sucks? Or do those reports sound pretty spot on? I think those reports are pretty spot on and based on years of following and trusting this scout I tend to believe his evaluations. Now others may disagree which is fine. But rasmussen is going to be a good player for us, same as Mantha, Larkin, soon Svechnikov and Cholowski (the 1 guy I totally disagreed with at the time).
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Just some scouting reports:
Zablocki:
Inconsistent centre who seems willing to let teammates do the heavy lifting, while he waits for a gift wrapped chance. Displays a quick shot and good jump in his skating, and scored 28 goals, but you are not sure from game to game if he is gonna work all 200 feet, or wait for teammates to make him.
Gallant:
Under-the-radar centre/forward who is a puck generator, scorer, and plays both on the power play and the penalty-kill. Solid forechecker and two way player who will drop the gloves if necessary too.
Petruzzelli:
Impressive big goaltender who has finally slowed down and learned to let his enormous size and gifts to do the work instead of getting in “fire drill mode.” Terrific combination of size and athletic ability that has NHL teams returning to make their final ranking decisions on him. Displays a strong glove hand and excellent awareness in his area. So big that when in his full spread, he covers the entire bottom while on his knees and still covers most of the top corners! Committed to Quinnipiac University.
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A scouting report:
A raw, puck-moving, offensive defenseman with great scoring instincts. Most notable for his 4 goals and 5 assists in 1 game for Almunta in U16s. Since then, he's continued to put up great offensive numbers, including 7 points in 4 games for his U19 team internationally. Struggled a little in his first season with Sweden's second tier league, particularly in his play without the puck and defending stronger attackers. He still managed to finish 2nd in scoring for U19 forwards. There's skill here but he needs time to develop his d-zone game and fill out his frame physically.
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Lindstrom. An offensive Dman. RHed.
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How about Petruzzeli the G from Muskegon in the 2nd? Might be a great pick! Think Coreau but with skill!
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Only 2 things left to do: Move up and get Hague in the second, and then hope for some lottery luck next year and get A. Svechnikov or Matty Samuelsson!
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Petruzzelli will need more than 2 years to become our starter. But to be on the roster in 2 years is very possible.