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well I am rather positive I lost, although I am not that upset considering a large would be too big anyways... still would be nice to win something from this lockout lol

Nope, not yet

Nope just a great fan. I was pissed about the cancellation of the WC like everyone else, but what does making myself suffer by not watching my beloved red and white team solve aside from not getting to watch datsyuk and zetterberg before they get too old? All it does (and people don't realize this) is create a lower income for the nhl, which WILL cause another lockout, because then they won't have ANY money coming in. This whole lets make the owners and players suffer crap is stupid, because I want to see the game continue to grow, not collapse upon itself. That's my opinion, don't take it to heart people.

Exactly, franchises often self implode by buying into market areas where they cannot succeed, without proper research and development you are bound to bankrupt your company if you do not invest wisely. Why should the NHL be any different? It is after all just a nationwide franchise, problem is they expanded beyond their means. Instead of trying to slowly grow the game across the country they tried rapid expansion, which could ultimately spell their doom if they do not fix the underlying issues with these teams in non-hockey markets. Hockey is a Canadian sport because all across Canada you get snow and ice every year, you will never find that in the desert, so you should never find a hockey rink in the desert either.

First the meeting then the whores, you'll have to excuse Jay for his error in judgement...

Hmmm... I can dress up as a pizza delivery guy, but who can we get to be the strippers?

same here, I have a tab on google that I searched nhl cba news, and I am just refreshing every few minutes... I know I am probably getting my hopes for nothing though

the only thing I can find is this http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-refuse-concede-cba-lockout-stalemate-players-163146643--nhl.html We won't know anything until after the meeting when they choose to address the media, which is a good sign.

Winnipeg can support itself... It was the teams first year, it actually did very well for a first year team taking over Atlanta Thrashers, it will make money in the coming years... do not include it on your list.

I'll buy someones WC tickets, I still want to watch it next year!

I would either go play on EV Zug with Z, and Brunner, or CSKA Moscow alongside Datsyuk. Whichever team took me first (hopefully CSKA)

PLEASE, just sign the damn thing, Z and Brunner are tearing it up overseas and I want to see if that rolls over onto our rink... I miss seeing Datsyuk in Red and White making players look like amateurs every night, and he doesn't have many years of that left... You already cancelled the highly anticipated WC, don't ruin another season of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwalling...

Nope, since before the playoffs, he was injured leading into the playoffs and the first game back landed his wrist on a skate and severed tendons in his wrist. Get well soon Helmer, we miss you in Detroit and hope you will be ready to play when an agreement is signed! You are the soul of our team!

Your stats were right, your information however was wrong, because you said 09/10 was his highest goal/point producing season when it was not. Yes Holden had 30 goals in 09/10, but if you look at his yearly stats it is very inconsistent, whereas Brunner is quite consistent on a goal scoring basis.

I agree with the fact that he is unproven in the nhl, but the wings have always found a way to have guys play to their full potential in the NHL. That being said your information is incorrect, in 2011/12 he scored 24 goals, 36 assists. Which is 60 points in 45 games. To put that in perspective, if that were a 82 game season, he was on pace to hit 109 points in the swiss league, and 43/44 goals. So let's not get our hopes too high, but also not knock the guy yet, because those kind of points are quite good, and if he can transfer even half of that to the nhl and get 20+ goals and 60+ points, I would be very happy with that. EDIT: Josh Holden also had maybe 2 good season in the swiss league, whereas no matter who his linemates have been Brunner has been very consistently good for ZUG

You're wrong. The Mayans did not have leap years, but they did have a much more accurate way of telling time then even we do, where every year an extra .25 days was added in. Their time telling system was much more accurate and reliable, not saying the world will end, just saying your theory is wrong.

only needs 7 owners to like him(assuming he gets the Phoenix vote)

you realize this won't be accepted because you edited it?

One news reporter quoted; Another news reporter; and another;

This is wishful thinking, but this may result in something positive, maybe a deal within the week? *fingers crossed*

Tuesday November 6 3:00pm est

What if Bettman actually paid $250k payment for the winter classic but said he cancelled it, and now is trying to push the PA to make a deal so he doesn't lose the owners money... Just a ridiculous thought, for fun

While this IS true, you have to remember the escrow payments were around 8-10% every year, and they got the money back once they went through the finances. Now what the owners are asking, is that the players take an immediate rollback of 12% and still they will lose money to escrow, so they are actually losing more than what is contracted. Yes, to begin with Fehr was playing hardball, but that is what you have to do against Bettman or you won't get anywhere with him. Maybe they are not speaking the "same language" but Fehr has been consistently trying to get Bettman in a negotiation room with him, which won't happen unless it is on Bettman's terms. The PA's proposals do actually make it down to 50/50, as long as the league continues to grow at least 5% each year. Lastly everyone is entitled to their opinion, so if the resident mod wants to like my post, I do not see the issue, as it is something he agrees with. (yes I did see your apology letter, and I think it speaks volumes, but again everyone is entitled to their opinion) You are looking at this as if the owners actually paid $240 million for their teams, which they did not. For instance Mr. Illitch, I believe actually paid somewhere around 75-80 million, and not it is WORTH about $350 million. So if his original investment was $80 million, and we assume he made $7 million this year, his profit on his investment would actually be 8.75%. Now you can argue about money they spend every year blah blah blah, but they make that money back, and most years make profit, and mr. illitch's teams worth has grown about $270 million since his purchase, which is even more profit. There is about 10 teams "making money" and about 7-8 teams losing money, every other team basically is breaking even, give or take

I am not trying to stir up a fight here, but I had to make a point on this last statement you made. Obviously the owners locked out the players, and refused to let them play under the old CBA. That being said, yes the NHL and the PA are both at fault here to varying extents. I believe the owners and Bettman are more at fault, which is partially why I take the players side, lets look at the facts; - Bettman and the owners have been negotiating in bad faith since day 1 (look at the first proposal they made), and they refuse to negotiate unless it is under preconditioned terms. - Fehr and the players have consistently put out proposals with different methods of how to get their revenue share to what the league is asking, and they got shot down without any consideration for what they are proposing. - Bettman and Fehr are both trying to win a PR battle, difference is Bettman is making proposals that look good to fans, so they will back him, but when they players read through it, they realize he never had any intention of doing anything the players asked. - The players are willing to go down to 50/50, it will take about 2 seasons to get there, but they will get there, all they ask is current contracts thatthe OWNERS willingly signed before the lockout be honored (not a lot to ask, considering they were given a contract right before the lockout stating they would be payed X amount) but the owners are refusing that now. I am on the players side, but nothing I mentioned was based on opinion, or bias. Everything I wrote is factual, and if you really want I can post links to back up everything I have written.