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It wouldn't take Svechnikov and the #9, unless their first was coming back too. They have to trade him or Myers or lose one for free to Vegas. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Most people thought the same about Sproul, Marchenko, XO, and Jensen.

I say he said he wouldn't do Svechnikov for Trouba. You said he didn't. I quote his post where he said exactly that. But I'm dense. Gotcha. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Right here. Wouldn't trade Svechnikov for Trouba.

From Kahn: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2017/05/post_25.html#incart_river_index There’s a few teams with potential protection issues on defense, including Minnesota, Nashville, Anaheim, Winnipeg and the New York Islanders. If the Wild opt to protect three defensemen, Ryan Suter and Jared Spurgeon surely will be two of them. That leaves one spot for either Jonas Brodin, Matt Dumba or Marco Scandella. Dumba’s name surfaces in more trade speculation than the others. Nashville is another club with a decision to make. The Predators might elect to protect four defensemen (P.K. Subban, Roman Josi, Ryan Ellis and Mattias Ekholm) and just four forwards. If not, they’ll need to move a good defenseman. The Jets might opt to protect four defensemen as well, unless they make a trade. Dustin Byfuglien and Tobias Enstrom have no-movement clauses and Winnipeg isn’t going to expose Jacob Trouba or Tyler Myers. The New York Islanders might need to move a defenseman, perhaps Calvin de Haan, who is rumored to be on the Red Wings’ radar. Johnny Boychuk must be protected due to his no-movement clause (unless he agrees to waive it) and the two other spots could go to Nick Leddy and Travis Hamonic. The Ducks have a plethora of defensemen. They figure to protect Cam Fowler, Hampus Lindholm and Sami Vatanen, assuming Kevin Bieksa waives his no-movement clause (he might as well, since Vegas won’t take a 35-year-old). That would leave Josh Manson exposed.

If someone won't trade Svechnikov for Trouba, they're out of their mind. Nyquististhefuture wouldn't. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Detroit needs a #1 center and 2 top pair D. Larkin might stil be that #1 C. Maybe not. He's the only one who has the potential to be that though. Cholowski might be a top pair D, but probably not for 4-5 years. They have a surplus of wingers. Tatar, Nyquist, Mantha, Svechnikov, Smith, and there's a pretty good chance AA and Holmstrom end up on the wing. The smart move is to package a forward with a pick or two and/or another player and get what they need. There are teams who have more players that they'd want to protect than they can, Winnipeg and Minnesota for example. The Jets have Buff, Trouba, Myers, and Enstrom. Buff and Enstrom have a NMC, either they have to waive it or they have to be protected. They'd probably rather move Myers than Trouba, but then again it seems pretty clear Trouba wants out anyway. A second, a third, their choice of wingers, and another player (XO, Sheahan, etc.) might do it. For Myers, Nyquist or Tatar and a 3rd might get it done. Maybe not, but you have to make the offer. The Wild have Suter, Dumba, Spurgeon, and Brodin. Suter and Dumba are likely the 2 they want to protect, and be willing to move Brodin or Spurgeon. They're going to want a guy they don't have to expose to the draft in return, which probably means they'd want Larkin, Cholowski, or Svechnikov. Spurgeon can give a list of 20 teams he won't accept a trade to, giving him some leverage and potentially lowering what they can get. He's also 27 and has a cap hit just south of $5.2 mil. Brodin is younger and while not cheap, is signed for 4 years at a hit of $4.167 mil. His numbers aren't as good as Trouba's and his role was smaller, but he could possibly be had for less because of that. Svechnikov and a second might at least get the conversation started. There are deals to be made, Detroit has the assets to at least potentially make one. If Holland can't at least be in the picture, he fails horribly.

Unless they move another winger to bring in a D or C, they don't need Silfverberg

So you agree that Svechnikov and say a 2nd for Trouba is good? Because Nyquististhefuture said Svechnikov is untouchable Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Tatar and Nyquist are 2nd line wingers. That's their established value. If a team is looking to move a young NHL d-man, they're going to want either a higher end NHL player or a good prospect is return. Svechnikov may or may not do that. If it's Minny, they're likely going to want a guy they don't need to protect. In Detroit that's Larkin and Svechnikov. For Winnipeg or Anaheim, for example where they want to add some scoring maybe Mantha or AA gets it done, maybe they really like Svechnikov. Who knows. But that's really beside my original point, which was if Svechnikov can bring a young D like Trouba, Brodin, Dumba, etc you do it and don't look back. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

If a team trades a good young D, they're not doing it for a package centering on Tatar or Nyquist. It takes high value assets to get a high value asset. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

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Bouwmeester was older and on a big contract when they Flames were looking to trade him. Trouba is 23 and on a reasonable deal. Apples and oranges. Trouba is a better defenseman at 23 than anyone the Wings have now, and Cholowski is the only one in the system with a reasonable chance of being better. He's at least as good as older players like Shattenkirk. Even if he never develops much more than he is, it's worth trading Svechnikov, or any other winger the Wings have. It's not just Trouba, either. He's just the one originally mentioned. Detroit NEEDS two top pair defensemen. A young guy like Trouba, Dumba, Brodin, Fowler, or anyone similar would help. Detroit has Tatar, Nyquist, Larkin, Mantha, Svechnikov, Smith, AA, Holmstrom, Ehn, and whoever they take in this year's draft as either established or potential top 6 forwards. Most of them are wings. They have Cholowski as a potential top pair defenseman, and he's probably 2 or 3 years away from the NHL, even without the Wings' overly cautious approach at development. Why the F would you not trade from a position you're pretty well stocked at to get what you need? How much better off would they be now if they had traded Sproul and Pulkkinen for a good young established NHL player 3 years ago? But we can't do THAT because POTENTIAL!!!!!! The one thing Dave Dombrowski did well for the Tigers is not get caught up in love for prospects. You Id the ones you're 95+% sure will come close to their ceiling and trade the rest while they have peak value. Hell, I remember people freaking out when they got Cabrera because they sent Cameron "5 tool future superstar" Maybin and Andrew "You can't trade a big lefty pitcher!" Miller to the Marlins.

Trouba is a good young defenseman. At 23, he still has room to grow, isn't a UFA for a few years, and has the potential to help the team for the next 12+ years. Shattenkirk is 27 and looking for his big pay day. He's as good as he will ever likely be. He'll have the ability to help the team for 7-8 years and be on the back end of his career for probably 3 or 4 of them. See the difference?

Last year he played more minutes a game than ever before, 24:57 as game. He was tied with Enstrom as the top PK D at 2:59 a game and was their #2 PP d-man. In 60 games he had 8 goals and 25 assists, so 3 fewer points than Green in 12 fewer games, and 20 more points than any other Detroit defenseman at an age where Detroit still has their defensmene "over ripening" in Grand Rapids. You're saying he wouldn't be a big step up from what we already have? Please, he'd be Detroit's best defenseman by a long way. So yeah, I'd swap Svech or any other forward other than Larkin plus a 2nd or 3rd or a lower level prospect for him without thinking twice, and the only reason I wouldn't move Larkin for him is that he projects to be a center, and that's another hole the team has.

Trouba is an established defenseman. Svechnikov is unknown. He might be a star, he might be a third liner, but most likely he will be a second line winger. Most prospects end up somewhere below their ceiling. Given the number of players the Wings have at wing and the lack of top pair d-men they have, it's worth the risk. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Trouba is young, Shattenkirk is not Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Reported numerous times doesn't mean it's true, or that he'd sign here even if ita is. There are other factors. Smith​ has top 6 upside. Larkin, AA, and Mantha are young. Tatar and Nyquist are mid 20s. Plus there's this year's draft. They can afford to move a winger. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Small European? It might be worth it just to see leftwinger flip his s---t Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

1) you assume Trouba would sign here as a ufa 2) a top pair D is far more valuable and harder to find than a second line winger 3) the following is a partial list of players I was told were untouchable at some point by fans: Ericsson, Dekeyser, Smith, Sproul, XO, Howard, Mrazek, AA, Frk, Pulkinnen, Tatar, Nyquist, Abdelkader, Larkin, Mantha, Sheahan, and now Svechnikov. See a pattern? 4) a smart person takes something they have a surplus of, wingers in this case, and uses that to get what they need, high end C and D for the Wings Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Best pizza I've ever had was at Luciano's in Ludington. Little place owned by an old Italian couple. If I lived there I'd eat it twice a week. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

What makes Svechnikov untouchable? He MIGHT score 30+ goals a year for a 4 or 5 year stretch. He's more likely a 25G 55 pt player, and might top out as a 15-20 goal 3rd liner. You trade that for a young D like Trouba every time. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Yes, for a rebuilding team 28 is too old Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Shattenkirk will want too much money and term and is too old. The goal should be to be a contender in 3 years, not just because playoff team now. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Trade him for a pick in next year's draft. A GM on the hot seat who knows he might not be around for the 18 draft might bite. Plus trading Green likely leads to a higher pick for the Wings. For the record, I don't particularly like seeing the Wings lose, but I know that one or two really bad seasons could bring another Cup in a few years if they draft the right players. If they can get a legit #1 C or D this year, and get another next year, and assuming their current group of young players turn out mostly good, that's all they need.